Impeach Bush Signs (They are a cool idea)

Right or WRong.. ethical or no.. you have to admit nobody else in SL has come up with a more profitable griefing method yet.. that is if somebody bought his land and returned the signs..lol..Has anybody be so put off by these signs they have actually done this?

I dont agree with putting up all the signs..but if he trully hates Bush and found a way to profit from it. Good for him. I would say that takes at least half a brain anyday. .


As for free speech, that is generally preserved regardless of how controversal or "In your Face" as long as it "does not prevent normal daily activities". And i dont see those sign snearly the threat the hub skyscraper traps used to be to my "normal activity". Havent been trapped in one yet.

Uh, yes they have. As has been remarked upon earlier in this thread, this is a far from innovative means of griefing. People have been using land extortion tactics like this since before I even came to SL.

There is ample precedent for banning signs that just make a place look bad. I see trucks going around pulling up "bandit signs" along roads all the time, and businesses have been forced to move vehicles with signs on their own property when they violate signage restrictions.

Free speech means you can say what you want, and if someone else can say something you can too. it doesn't mean you can say anything you want any way you want. Limits on place and manner are not restrictions on speech so long as they're applied equally.

If someone went around posting really offensive signs like this guy's Bush signs, and LL takes action, this would be a precedent that could cause LL problems.

I am thinking that it might be true that he is anti-Bush, in which case we might do better not to call him the Impeach Bush guy because he might like that. Instead we should call him the Bush Sign Guy, which could be taken as pro Bush. Why, we could even refer to him as Mr. Bush.

Why do people *keep on saying this is a matter of free speech!*

If I keep reading that I'll blow a gasket, I swear.

It is nothing to do with free speech.

It doesn't matter what is written on the signs. They could be blank, and the situation would be the same.

The only reason they say what they do is that it gives him some words to say when he is accused of extorion

He is a simple extortionist.

(congratulates himself on not swearing.)

Most of the time I try and stay out of the really controversial threads, but I have to ask a few questions, both of residents and of the Lindens.

To the residents:
Has anyone taken real measures (ie petitions to LL) to make the community wishes heard? I'm not saying they have not, I truly don't know, as it is next to impossible to wade through EVERY post on the topic. I, too, have signs next to my well-crafted build in Cisco (come check out The Courtyard! [/shamelessselfpromotion]) and wouldn't mind seeing them gone. I've heard mention of people saying "everyone ban him from your land and put him on mute". What does this accomplish, really?

To the Lindens:
Why has no one from LL spoken about this issue (again that i've been able to see)? It concerns me to notice the slow decline of communication from the powers that be. When I first started here early in the year, we had a new post in the Announcements forum at least every day, sometimes several posts a day as to what was going on as far as development, technology issues, community concerns, etc. Now we are lucky if we get one every few days unless we ask for something specific in the Answers forum. Even if you make a public statement that nothing will be done about this, it will be communication. And then perhaps we can move on.

Just my couple of cents on the matter.

By the way has anyone taken a close look at the signs? There is a script in some of them that cause them to disappear, I think by way of alphas. What is that all about?

There is a petition - I have one in a box on my land on Azure Islands. I'm about to go into the game, where I will put the same box out on my shop in Rosieri. (Address below in signature.)

coco

Works for a very short time.

20 mins to be exact. And poof, they're back.

I apologize if I missed previous posts... There have been so many threads on this subject that it could make ones head spin...

as for this having nothing to do with free speech... I honestly would compare this to any other Political billboard you see IRL..except that the TOS that Linden adopted obviously allows for it..where as IRL zoning regulations and building permits are required to put up a sign.. you wont see ad space paid for by a campaign taken down..no matter the mudslinging included..UNLESS it breaks city/state laws for content or zoning(The limits to free speech). Since he has legitimately bought the land the signs are on and the content is within TOS for SL then i dont see any reason to have him banned.

By saying that I am not saying i condone what he is doing but let me ask.. what ACTUAL RULE is he breaking?has anybody quoted a section of the TOS that would bring the book down? If he isnt breaking any than it is his Linden given right to have the signs... no matter how much of an eyesore they are...

If you want somewhere where the land is micro managed try renting from a private island or mainland sim owner... Just like RL unless you live within a cities limits(which i havent seen any Linden run in SL cities)you generally are stuck with whatever joe blow that can conjure up on his plot next to yours.(ignoring the safety inspections, since death in SL is fleeting)

And again.. freedom of speech applies as long as it does not prevent the regular flow of the day(or Linden Labs sees fit). meaning unless his sign is physically preventing you from conducting your personal business or the flocks of Anti-Bush followers are clogging your sim to worhsip his signs so much so that you cannot conduct business....

Does the TOS cover acts of land market extortion?

Cocoa - I will be by to sign the petition tonight ..Just b/c something is within somebodies rights dont mean you cant fight it. But to say "I dont like his content so ban him" .. why dont we dunk him in the river to see if he drowns.. or burn him at the stake to make sure he isnt a witch?

Good, Oasis. And just to be clear - I'm not in favor of banning him and have never called for banning him. I think they should just make him stop doing this. I think banning him would be wrong, and way overkill.

And I would also clarify that it is not a matter of I don't like his content. Doesn't matter who does or does not like the content of the signs. They could say, "I love the Muppets!" and what he is doing with them would still be harmful to SL.

coco

What is the Chris that started the thread up to now?