How about a deposit?

Ohboy! This is a first! Quoting my own message!

Actually, I re-thought something, and a nice, peachy idea hit me.

Anyone that griefs Second Life should be charged financially for that griefing. They should be charged professional consultant fees ranging anywhere from $120 to $500 an hour... for every person involved in fixing that griefing. And then they should be given a choice: pay the fee, or talk with the police.

I bet that would stop a whole lot of griefing. Hit two or three of these jokers deeply in their pockets and I bet their "so-what?" attitude comes to a screeching halt.

(oh, just realized... someone 2 messages back kinda presented this idea already. Hmm... must be a good one. )

and with that post, i think aimee just lost her fic privilieges...

how about LL presses charges against people who deliberately try to destabilize the grid?

I like this idea of having a deposit and not getting it back if you grief or break the TOS, how much I don't know, maybe $50 is better?
I think the TOS would have to be made more so newbie could see it as well like a big ol sign at the WA..

This is a good idea to!

What is FIC?

It's teh opposite of FIN

So people would have to pay a deposit because of griefers? What a welcoming start that would be...

How about, No?

I think it would better to just let folks abuse the system. Simply ban their account is all I can say really. They may have disrupted service but they did LL a favor in uncovering an abuse/exploit. Someone desperate enough will persist in trying to cause disruption/take advantage.

Can't disagree more with this idea........it already costs me quite a bit more at R7.00 to the $ to just have a membership, imagine if I had to pay $100

ACK!!!

We really don't need any more ideas about how to keep out the riff-raff.

coco

hehehehe, welcome to the "quote yourself" club, I'm a card carry member.

I have mixed emotions about this. First, on the plus side, I would love to see LL whack morons like the grid-crasher and the code stealer from a few months back with a few grand in credit card hits, and put the legal impetus on THEM to sue to get their money back, and not the legal impetus on LL to pursue these kids. Hit the parents for not monitoring their kids Internet activity.

On the minus side, LL is currently a small, nice, friendly company. Large behemoths like Verizon constantly take advantage of their size to screw the little guy (myself to the tune of $280 this year, lest they ruin my credit) and I'm strongly opposed to this kind of corporate strong-arming.

The question is finding a fair balance and ensuring that it doesn't get abused.

Regards,

-Flip

How about if only the scripters had to pay? I'm a scripter, so I'd be one of the people affected. However, my guess is that well below 1% of SL's population are scripters... but they are the 1% who are given the tools that can easily crash sims and the grid as a whole. I'd be curious to see, out of everyone who has ever signed up for SL in history, the percentage that has a script on the asset server with them as creator.

This would only affect a few hundred people, really. Learning a programming language takes time, effort and commitment, so if you're willing to invest that much already, a deposit to force you to act responsibly isn't out of the question. If you're working for a company where you have access to a programming language, and can do damage, you've probably signed quite a few pieces of paper saying you won't be a jackass and also have a financial interest. Why not tie in a financial interest here, that will only impede the tiny fraction of the population using the tools that can destroy everyone's fun?

Regards,

-Flip

Why is it that anyone would think that asking for even more money to play or be in sl is a good idea? I feel this platform already exceeds in its charges over and above other platforms. Granted sl is a one of a kind in online 3d colaboration. Even so if the price becomes even more ppl like me will simply log off and go back to 3d max, bryce, rayman and such to create our 3d works.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone who doesn't work for LL would push for LL getting even more money from it's customer base. If anything I would think that I would be seeing threads for a reduction of fees in line with the reduction of stippends, event monies and such.

Mar

A large enough deposit to stop people messing things up would be big enough to put me off SL. Even if it was just for scripting (since I like scripting).

I'm gonna unsubscibe to this thread now because it's not going anywhere, someone let me know if things pick up.

Me too. I have seen a steady increase in fees and a steady decrease in customer benifits. I have had it with the suggestions to up my fees once again. All it does now is piss me off so I too will not be responding to this thread either.

Mar

I'm incensed, indignant, miffed, AND tee'd off!

I too will be boycotting this thead and suggest you all do the same!

(hoping my verbal spankings will stop)

I understand the concept and the underlying thoughts, but this is truly a horrifically bad idea. As it stands, LL has no liability to its customers and any real dispute is doomed to hit arbitration, so no real hope for things like precedent that might really help consumer rights.

There is absolutely nothing in place to counter the fact that humans manage LL which runs SL and, just as anywhere else, the tendency to be human and therefore, biased and any other number of things that go along with that exists.

Finally, the simple reality is that customers who enjoy breaking the rules, harrassing others, etc. simply are not going to stop just because they have to pay more to do it. If anything, they will feel more entitled to do so because they're 'paying for it'. This is something that has been demonstrated time and time again in a variety of PvP games and the basic social behaviors that drive 'griefing' are the same regardless the venue.

The only true solution to persistant griefing is the ban stick. It is the only thing that consistantly works, it is the only thing that acts as to deter.

Unfortunately, it is also the only thing companies like LL refuse to do. You'd think after watching the industry for any length of time (which I presume they must, considering they're in to make money), simple things like 'consistancy in enforcement' would be no-brainers.

Then again... (sigh)

Steady increase in fees? How so?

The land fees haven't been increased once since they were established nearly 2 years ago. The cost of a lifetime account went from $225 (granted, that included 4096 meters) down to $10 down to FREE. And the cost for a premium account and land has never increased.

Please explain yourself? There's never been an increase in fees. If anything, the cost has gone down!

Regards,

-Flip

Nothing that makes SL even less accessible to those without surplus RL resources strikes me as a good idea.

Bhodi "But How Can I Need A Credit Card, This Is the Revolution, Isn't It?" Silverman

*CRY*

I aborted the idea! When will my beatings END!!!

Pfft. You know me. Really, was that a beating? (grin)

However, I am miffed that I took the time to post a lengthy comment to your blog only to have to zapped into the ozone because 'only members to the blog' can post comments.

Where's my hammer? (growl)

Funny, that. "Miffed" is the EXACT word I used when I discovered that only members could post to that blog.

coco

Ya gotta be elite FIC

Well, you could always edit the original message to read:

"I think that Linden Lab should drop premium membership fees for users who keep their noses clean for 6 months with no trouble."

Then that will make all the following messages look just silly.