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Lordfly Digeridoo

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11-07-2005 09:47

From: Magnum Serpentine

No sarcasm intended. I was being very truthful.

My point is, I wasn't.

Infinite money would ruin SL, and make 1.7 The End of The World, truly.

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Jennyfur Peregrine

Whatever

Join date: 24 Dec 2003

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11-07-2005 10:03

From: Magnum Serpentine

Someone wrote in the Hotline to the Lindens board that 80% of the people do not want to go back to 1.6.13 However, this 80% is only 69 people and in all 86 people took part in the poll. I have walked around many areas of Second Life and almost by 100% people are very very very dissiappointed in 1.7.X.X

So I want to know, since when does the will of 69 people override the will of 78,000?

Yah 1.7 isn't perfect and to my recollection neither was 1.6 in its many incarnations. I have faith that 1.7 will improve given time. Rolling back to 1.6.13 is the stupidest most assinine idea I HAVE EVER HEARD OF. Why? Because, if you think people are pissed off now, just wait until you erase several weeks worth of work, content creation, sales, purchases and what not. Speaking for myself I would be quite irritated and would probably consider the long term worth of my investment in SL not only monetary, but time. If you had some sort of valid point or actual knowledge of how the massive complexities of the system actually work, I could perhaps see your point. You are not a bad person, but ferchrissakes quit complaining all the fucking time about how great 1.3 was, or that LL should give you free money or that we should role back to 1.6.13. GET OVER IT! Seriously, dood, don't you have anything better to do?

On second thought, Maybe you should petition Linden Lab to make the Magnum ver 1.3 grid so you can live happily ever after in a world of inertia whilst the rest of us progress towards the future with the constant state of changes and updates.

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Kage Seraph

I Dig Giant Mecha

Join date: 3 Nov 2004

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11-07-2005 11:43

From: Elex Dusk

The poll itself is invalid for a number of reasons. It was not conducted by a third-party independent of the issue at hand. The question is potentially biased. It does not randomly sample the resident population, and thus can't be extrapolated to represent views of the resident population as a whole. It has no measure of those persons that declined to take part in the poll. There is no measure of customer satisfaction prior to the release of version 1.7 for comparitive use. Even discounting the previous reasons and accepting the size of a volunteer "sample" the "sample" size itself is too small for a comfortable margin of error. Etcetera. Ad nauseum.

This does not mean the opinions expressed in response to the poll are more or less valid, or better or more poorly informed. Just that this type of "polling" method can be discounted out of hand if you're seeking a measurable response based in proper statistical polling methods. It also doesn't mean that these kinds of polls are bad. Just that you shouldn't rely on them when formulating a decision or course of action. The poll simply provided a conversational hook for the rest of its thread.

A thoughtful, well-informed discussion of polling statistics? Jeeze, what are the forums coming to? You aren't from around here are you, Elex?

Very well put.

Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

11-07-2005 12:00

And now, Deep Thoughts,

From: someone

The law clearly states that a president and vice president be sworn in by a JUDGE. otherwise anyone can swear in anyone. Remember Republican Presidet Cavin Cooledge? When he leaned that President Harding had died, he got his father, to swear him in. But when he got back to Washington, Cooledge learned that there might be porblems since his father was not a federal judge so he had a Supreame Court Justice swear himself in again

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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

Jake Reitveld

Emperor of Second Life

Join date: 9 Mar 2005

Posts: 2,690

11-07-2005 12:12

Benjamin Disraeli said it best: there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Templar Baphomet

Man in Black

Join date: 13 Sep 2005

Posts: 135

11-07-2005 12:37

From: Jake Reitveld

Benjamin Disraeli said it best: there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Disraeli also said, "A fool learns nothing from a wise man, but a wise man learns much from a fool."

I don't claim to be wise, but I know fools when I meet them. I've had my fill of the forums for awhile, where constructive ideas are met with the scorn of the ignorant and reason is answered with hostility.

69 people do not make a majority
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	11-07-2005 09:47 From: Magnum Serpentine No sarcasm intended. I was being very truthful. My point is, I wasn't. Infinite money would ruin SL, and make 1.7 The End of The World, truly. LF _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Jennyfur Peregrine Whatever Join date: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,151	11-07-2005 10:03 From: Magnum Serpentine Someone wrote in the Hotline to the Lindens board that 80% of the people do not want to go back to 1.6.13 However, this 80% is only 69 people and in all 86 people took part in the poll. I have walked around many areas of Second Life and almost by 100% people are very very very dissiappointed in 1.7.X.X So I want to know, since when does the will of 69 people override the will of 78,000? Yah 1.7 isn't perfect and to my recollection neither was 1.6 in its many incarnations. I have faith that 1.7 will improve given time. Rolling back to 1.6.13 is the stupidest most assinine idea I HAVE EVER HEARD OF. Why? Because, if you think people are pissed off now, just wait until you erase several weeks worth of work, content creation, sales, purchases and what not. Speaking for myself I would be quite irritated and would probably consider the long term worth of my investment in SL not only monetary, but time. If you had some sort of valid point or actual knowledge of how the massive complexities of the system actually work, I could perhaps see your point. You are not a bad person, but ferchrissakes quit complaining all the fucking time about how great 1.3 was, or that LL should give you free money or that we should role back to 1.6.13. GET OVER IT! Seriously, dood, don't you have anything better to do? On second thought, Maybe you should petition Linden Lab to make the Magnum ver 1.3 grid so you can live happily ever after in a world of inertia whilst the rest of us progress towards the future with the constant state of changes and updates. _____________________ ~Jennyfur~ http://jennyfurperegrine.wordpress.com/ http://slcc2007.wordpress.com/ Deadly Nightshade Design Studio (Indigo 86,61) Jennyfur's Designs on SLBoutique
Kage Seraph I Dig Giant Mecha Join date: 3 Nov 2004 Posts: 513	11-07-2005 11:43 From: Elex Dusk The poll itself is invalid for a number of reasons. It was not conducted by a third-party independent of the issue at hand. The question is potentially biased. It does not randomly sample the resident population, and thus can't be extrapolated to represent views of the resident population as a whole. It has no measure of those persons that declined to take part in the poll. There is no measure of customer satisfaction prior to the release of version 1.7 for comparitive use. Even discounting the previous reasons and accepting the size of a volunteer "sample" the "sample" size itself is too small for a comfortable margin of error. Etcetera. Ad nauseum. This does not mean the opinions expressed in response to the poll are more or less valid, or better or more poorly informed. Just that this type of "polling" method can be discounted out of hand if you're seeking a measurable response based in proper statistical polling methods. It also doesn't mean that these kinds of polls are bad. Just that you shouldn't rely on them when formulating a decision or course of action. The poll simply provided a conversational hook for the rest of its thread. A thoughtful, well-informed discussion of polling statistics? Jeeze, what are the forums coming to? You aren't from around here are you, Elex? Very well put.
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	11-07-2005 12:00 And now, Deep Thoughts, From: someone The law clearly states that a president and vice president be sworn in by a JUDGE. otherwise anyone can swear in anyone. Remember Republican Presidet Cavin Cooledge? When he leaned that President Harding had died, he got his father, to swear him in. But when he got back to Washington, Cooledge learned that there might be porblems since his father was not a federal judge so he had a Supreame Court Justice swear himself in again _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jake Reitveld Emperor of Second Life Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,690	11-07-2005 12:12 Benjamin Disraeli said it best: there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. _____________________ ALCHEMY -clothes for men. Lebeda 208,209
Templar Baphomet Man in Black Join date: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 135	11-07-2005 12:37 From: Jake Reitveld Benjamin Disraeli said it best: there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Disraeli also said, "A fool learns nothing from a wise man, but a wise man learns much from a fool." I don't claim to be wise, but I know fools when I meet them. I've had my fill of the forums for awhile, where constructive ideas are met with the scorn of the ignorant and reason is answered with hostility.

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