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Cocoanut Koala
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08-18-2006 15:32
I wonder, do those islands get better fps, time dilation, and texture loading?

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Coyote Momiji
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08-18-2006 15:32
From: Lewis Nerd
If that really is the case, Second Life is dead already, and the lag ripples we are seeing are just the death twitches.

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Change is not automatic death, Lewis.
nimrod Yaffle
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08-18-2006 15:36
From: Coyote Momiji
Change is not automatic death, Lewis.

*points to his sig*
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Coyote Momiji
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08-18-2006 15:38
From: nimrod Yaffle
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Fade Languish
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08-18-2006 15:41
From: Cocoanut Koala
I wonder, do those islands get better fps, time dilation, and texture loading?

coco


Well they do, but only because they have a lot less objects in them, and they run waaay less scripts (just checked, 185 scripts running in the island I'm working in right now), plus usually I'm the only avi in them. It's no better than resident owned islands I've worked in at similar stages, in fact, I've had way better fps when Las Vegas and Foo were in early stages.
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Grady Echegaray
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08-18-2006 15:48
Who in their right mind is going to pay money each month to be bombarded by unwanted advertising at every turn?



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Been to a movie theatre lately?
Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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08-18-2006 19:26
Sad fact is the event boards are Unmonitor these days. have you seen the junk on them?! Thisis a fact The yard sales, COME here and bla bla. un attendent games and events........Its early 2006 all over again....Makes you think where LLabs human resources are dealing with all these problems... :( :confused: Makes you wonder :(
Jeffrey Gomez
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08-18-2006 20:44
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Katta Sparrow
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08-18-2006 20:54
I personally don't care as long as I dont get pop ups plus people can use SL for advertising purposes and I think it's great.

Besides, what do most popular places achieve now that there is no tier and camping chairs have ruined it for all land owners with alot of traffic?

Microsoft advertises, Universal Studios advertise new bands etc..
Usagi Musashi
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08-18-2006 22:09
From: Katta Sparrow
I personally don't care as long as I dont get pop ups plus people can use SL for advertising purposes and I think it's great.

Besides, what do most popular places achieve now that there is no tier and camping chairs have ruined it for all land owners with alot of traffic?

Microsoft advertises, Universal Studios advertise new bands etc..

Its bad enough there are junk mailers getting in emailing these days. rw popup might be not to far off :rolleyes: who knows :cool:
Jeffrey Gomez
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08-18-2006 22:28
From: Katta Sparrow
I personally don't care as long as I dont get pop ups plus people can use SL for advertising purposes and I think it's great.

Ah yes. I believe we call those notecards and postcards here. And last I checked, we can't block them either. :(
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-18-2006 23:11
From: Fade Languish
Well they do, but only because they have a lot less objects in them, and they run waaay less scripts (just checked, 185 scripts running in the island I'm working in right now), plus usually I'm the only avi in them. It's no better than resident owned islands I've worked in at similar stages, in fact, I've had way better fps when Las Vegas and Foo were in early stages.

I've noticed that my resident-owned island (Andromeda, in Azure Islands) runs lots better than the mainland, but even it has been affected, I believe.

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Kyrah Abattoir
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08-18-2006 23:17
there are numerous ways to make a "Denial of Service" attack on certain sims without breaking the ToS

a crapload of alts loaded with tons of prims and scripts...
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nimrod Yaffle
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08-18-2006 23:31
From: Kyrah Abattoir
there are numerous ways to make a "Denial of Service" attack on certain sims without breaking the ToS

a crapload of alts loaded with tons of prims and scripts...

You'd have to pay for that crap load of alts. The TOS states you can only have 1 free basic account, all the rest you have to pay $10 for.

Plus I think the TOS says somewhere that you can't intentionally (I forget the wording) crash a sim.
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grumble Loudon
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Join date: 30 Nov 2005
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08-19-2006 00:22
We only need 20 high prim/texture AV's to visit there camping chairs to degrade the sim. No need to to do anything deliberately.

Hosting a camping site has it's disadvantages.

I think of all the adds we see when going to websites, Google, ect...

The real problem is that there add was not targeted well enough.
Fa nyak
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08-19-2006 00:23
man...so they have camping chairs. my only beef with those things is that they suck up resources on my home sims when a neighboring club/mall whatever puts them in. on their own island, who cares.

all talk of spam aside, i went and poked around their island. it makes me happy :D thomson saved my butt in calculus last semester with their free live one-on-one online tutoring. this is the kind of place i've always thought sl needed. they've got free classes for you to watch/take, and a really neat system set up with little cubbies where individuals could be tutored or do group work. this is awesome!

you run legitimate educational groups out of sl with your pitchforks and torches, then bitch on the forums about how sl is full of nothing but malls and goreans...grr
Lewis Nerd
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08-19-2006 01:17
From: Grady Echegaray
Been to a movie theatre lately?


Not for a while no, although I was considering a trip to "Snakes on a Plane".

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Simon Nolan
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08-19-2006 08:36
From: nimrod Yaffle
It's in the popular places list, not classifieds. They pay camping chairs so they can get higher on the list to get more views.

Now about the classes thing. I put a question mark because I was not sure what the sim was, I went there, but still couldn't understand.

Popular places, not classifieds--my error. Regarding classes and training, the part in the description that says, "Thomson NETg education and training," makes it pretty clear to me. It also seemed clear when I visited the sim yesterday.

Out of curiosity, today I pulled up Popular places (PG only), and looked at the descriptions of the locations listed (same as your list), and exactly half included some sort of camping device in the description. I suspect some of the others in the list also have camping chairs, but just don't mention it.

So is there a reason, Nimrod, that you chose Thomson NETg over any one of the number of casinos in the list? Especially when it could be argued that Thomson NETg offers something of considerably greater value than wasting time and L$ at a casino? Why didn't you single out one of the nine casinos in that list, all of which mention having camping devices?

I've only been an SL resident for a few months, but haven't casinos, malls, shops and clubs used camping chairs to drive traffic and bump their rank for quite a long time now? Is your issue with using camping chairs to drive popularity, or is it that a RL company has a presence in SL? Is it the combination of a RL company with camping chairs?

As an anecdote... I went to the Thomson NETg sim again today, and was approached by an avatar who commented that the information that Thomson provides is interesting, and that picking up a few extra L$ in the process was nice, too. This made me realize that Thomson probably put the extra camping chairs out in the commons area to keep people who camp, but have no interest in the sim otherwise, out of the learning and classroom areas, freeing up space for people who were there to learn.
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08-19-2006 10:30
From: Lewis Nerd
Doesn't mean that we have to like it or accept it. There is no reason why SL has to be destroyed simply because of real life corporations, with more money than the average player, getting in the way of legitimate quality.

If a place is popular simply because of camping chairs, then it is admitting that it doesn't have any quality or redeeming features whatsoever to get people to visit.

Whenever I see any real life companies abusing our game like this, I make a mental note never to buy any of their products.

Lewis


Hi Lewis

I wanted to interject a couple of points here for discussion, Firstly all of us have to get away from the idea that the SL is ours (our content maybe), its a RL business that needs to make profits to survive and grow, it could be argued that they are doing bad things but thats our perspective's on the matter, we are not employed by LLs so therefore have no input to company matters.

If they fail we will all have to go look for another game/platform anyways.

If LLs feel that we have a valid comment then maybe they will look at it if they dont then whatever we think that is their decsion. Personally everytime i have had to deal with LLs the matter has been resolved for me, but i realise thats not the same for all. But if ya dont like the changes then leave as i would suggest to any other person.

I agree though that LL should listen more, but why should they? try telling Walmarts/Asda u want them to do what u want them to rather than them run their own business model, they will listen as all Customer Service Depts do, but at the end of the day how they run their business is their business not urs or mine.

Why u feel RL corps and companies are destroying the game is beyond me, the rants i see on this thread and others are similar to the changes when Browsers where introduced many years ago and everyone moaned on the Usenet that the internet would become just one big Billboard and adverts, hell the internet is not someones personal space unless u own the domain, company, servers etc. then and only then u can dictate what does and does not go. Im glad its developed as it has and i hope that SL continues to change and develop if it doesnt then i know my course of action.

Personally i hope we see many more companies buying sims and investing great wedges of cash into the game and if it fails im sure they will then move on as did Wells Fargo.

As far as camping chairs are concerned whatever u think they are paying people to sit on their land to raise the traffic figures as that is LLs way of doing it, again it matters not wether we agree or not with them as SL is not mine, yours or anyone elses on the forums, most if not all the popular places use camping chairs to get to the popular places list and yes if i could afford to spend a bit more here over my monthly budget for SL, then i would do the same to rasie my exposure, all i can do is leave my alt at my location to earn me some traffic, tho this thread is doing the trick as well for them and from what ive seen at the sim they are offering a service of education to those that perhaps cant get to a RL college etc. for whatever reason, so that is good imho.

As far as spamming is concerned they have placed themselves in the Search feature and are doing what everyone else does to raise the profile, i have not been subjected to any notecards or LM givers since i got there to look, alas so many others do when i get to their land to visit and i certainly wouldnt have known about this place except for the forums as they havent spammed me in IM either :) How u arrive at the fact they are abusing the game/platform i would like to know as i see a reasonable sim here, better than some i have seen in my time here and they are offering a better service than the sex clubs and casinos etc. here.

We all tend to forget this place we like to think is ours is someone elses vision, that we rent server space from to have our fun on and if we dont like it we can leave, but people dont i wonder why? I came here in 2003 didnt like so i left, maybe more should do that instead of this constant complaing and whinging, yes i realise some have invested a lot in here but as in all new venture projects,

NEVER GAMBLE what u cannot afford to lose, even if the company tells you its ok! Its as simple as that! RL business needs planning as should here i bet many dont do any assesments or business plans before buying a sim.

But at this time, SL for me is the best game/platform for my purposes, if people want a change then play TSO or WoW or anyone of the countless other games out there.

Changes happen and we have to embrace them and try to see the bigger picture but alas, Human Nature is self serving so someone will always see something they dont like just as in RL, but not withstanding that i still feel some changes have been detrimental but then thats just my personal opinion so i tend to use my own advice and if it gets bad i will leave SL and i wont waste my time bleating in the forums, not that they will be here then :)

Change will happen here so if we dont like it and cant constructively contribute to it then this link is very helpful https://secondlife.com/account/cancel.php and dont whinge :)

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