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Grid Merge Eminent?

Jeffrey Gomez
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08-07-2006 18:33
Ehm. Aren't the TG and MG already one and the same? Same asset servers, same key database, etc etc... with the barrier being whatever DRM is still in place?

Even so, it's not likely the sims will appear on the radar any time soon, so long as the TG provides a nice sacred cow for the lawyers.
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Jesse Malthus
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08-07-2006 18:59
From: Jeffrey Gomez
Ehm. Aren't the TG and MG already one and the same? Same asset servers, same key database, etc etc... with the barrier being whatever DRM is still in place?

Even so, it's not likely the sims will appear on the radar any time soon, so long as the TG provides a nice sacred cow for the lawyers.

I don't know, it would make sense to segment them entirely. Esp. the poor asset server
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Jack Harker
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08-07-2006 19:09
From: Jesse Malthus
So, from rumors and other sources I've been able to speculatvly deduce that the Teen Grid and Main Grid will be merging sometime in the future.
If they do, teens won't be able to access Mature sims and LR will probably put in a feature where parents can block their children from interacting with non-teens.
So, what do you think of this?
Discuss!


Wow, in a 24 hour spand I've now heard *two* things that would probably make me leave SL if they happened.
Jesse Malthus
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08-07-2006 19:15
From: Jack Harker
Wow, in a 24 hour spand I've now heard *two* things that would probably make me leave SL if they happened.

In my ideal scenerio, you'd be able to turn off the TG Resis at will.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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08-07-2006 21:12
We may not like it but i believe there is a chance of a merge. The sims can easily be taken down and moved along with all accounts. With the registration issues (Main Grid requiring no CC but Teen Grid does) You know everyone goes to the main grid anyway. LL has pointed it out to me by their actions that they don't care.
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Pham Neutra
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08-07-2006 21:17
From: Jesse Malthus

So, from rumors and other sources I've been able to speculatvly deduce that the Teen Grid and Main Grid will be merging sometime in the future.


ROTFL :cool:
Dyne Talamasca
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08-07-2006 22:49
It's pretty much inevitable.

LL is and AFAIK always has been moving towards making SL the functional analogue of the web, where essentially anyone that cares to can run their own sim and hook it up to the grid, and anyone can grab a client and wander around even more easily.

Just like the web, in the future, individual sims or groups thereof may restrict access as they choose, but the grid as a whole can't be controlled the way it has been up to now.

I wasn't expecting them to take the step of opening accounts so widely quite this quickly, however. I'm still trying to decide whether that means that they are working their timeline faster, it means they want to boost usage numbers/mindshare/whatever, or if it was simply premature. Not that these are mutually exclusive.
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Jesse Malthus
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08-08-2006 09:26
From: Pham Neutra
ROTFL :cool:

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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-08-2006 09:51
From: Dyne Talamasca
I wasn't expecting them to take the step of opening accounts so widely quite this quickly, however. I'm still trying to decide whether that means that they are working their timeline faster, it means they want to boost usage numbers/mindshare/whatever, or if it was simply premature. Not that these are mutually exclusive.


I have an educated guess why they did it. Numbers and mindshare are certainly part of the equation but there's one more.

To wreck the system.

In product development cars are crashed, electronics are baked, objects are thrown. I think this is the stage SL is in. The uncontrolled load is there to stress the system so they can find all the weak spots and rework the system for more robustness.

Taking a negative look at the increased population, it's increased the number of griefers, scammers, underaged, and general troublemakers.

Taking a positive look at the negative effects, it shows us where griefers can be stopped, it makes us find ways of countering scammers by method or by education, it makes us look at ways of keeping the underaged safer, it makes us look for means to prevent or deal with troublemakers.

The reason cars are safer now, despite thinner sheet metal, is because cars were crashed.

This will be a troubling time because of all the faults we will see in SL, but the result of fixing these faults is a much better SL than what was there before.
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Hypatia Callisto
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08-08-2006 10:09
I'm for a grid merge myself.

If we're going to have teens anyway, we might as well have the teens who do creative things, have a respect for the rules and don't grief, too. And yes, it would give more meaníng to PG sims and raise their overall value. It might force some businesses to relocate to PG sims to get the teen sales, and maybe more sim owners rating PG - giving us more ammo to AR with when people act inappropriately in public places. (this is the reason most RL companies and many events in SL prefer locating their land in PG areas) We might have a grid that's more reflective of the real world and its social mores.
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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08-08-2006 10:10
Ever since I first arrived in SL I'd wished they'd stop randomly assigning PG and M to mainland sims and make a nice line down the middle, and say "PG sims on this side, M sims on this side." Put a nice buffer of void sims between them - and make them combat enabled. ;)

Sure, it sounds very selective and "Side A Vs. Side B" but it would clear some things up. ^^

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08-08-2006 10:40
From: Psyra Extraordinaire
Ever since I first arrived in SL I'd wished they'd stop randomly assigning PG and M to mainland sims and make a nice line down the middle, and say "PG sims on this side, M sims on this side." Put a nice buffer of void sims between them - and make them combat enabled. ;)

Sure, it sounds very selective and "Side A Vs. Side B" but it would clear some things up. ^^

WAR! - never been so much fun
WAR! - never been so much fun
WAR! - never been so much fun
WAR! - never been so much fun
Go to your brother
Kill him with your gun
Leave him lying in his uniform
Dying in the sun....

... Okay, that was so not my style.


Heh I thought I would never agree with the idea, however it seems too fun to be true. It would take mobs of unverified acc to beat a verified one.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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08-08-2006 10:47
From: Jesse Malthus
I don't know, it would make sense to segment them entirely. Esp. the poor asset server

Back when the Teen Grid was just getting started, there were very major issues in keeping content in just one grid. People discovered they were able to transfer items back and forth (this has been confirmed) through several means I won't repeat because, of course, it's a bannable offense this week.

But to the best of my understanding, LL has not split the grid. Ever. This was a big problem with the Wells Fargo project, and a continuing problem for companies that wish to have their own platform without the "poor asset server."
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Jesse Malthus
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08-08-2006 11:12
From: Jeffrey Gomez
Back when the Teen Grid was just getting started, there were very major issues in keeping content in just one grid. People discovered they were able to transfer items back and forth (this has been confirmed) through several means I won't repeat because, of course, it's a bannable offense this week.

But to the best of my understanding, LL has not split the grid. Ever. This was a big problem with the Wells Fargo project, and a continuing problem for companies that wish to have their own platform without the "poor asset server."

I remember hearing about the ability to transfer between TG and MG. I think it would have been a good idea to do so in the start and avoid all these problems altogeather.
And I haven't heard about the problems with the Wells Fargo proect, do tell.
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IC Fetid
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08-08-2006 11:21
From: Aodhan McDunnough
I have an educated guess why they did it. Numbers and mindshare are certainly part of the equation but there's one more.

To wreck the system.

In product development cars are crashed, electronics are baked, objects are thrown. I think this is the stage SL is in. The uncontrolled load is there to stress the system so they can find all the weak spots and rework the system for more robustness.

Taking a negative look at the increased population, it's increased the number of griefers, scammers, underaged, and general troublemakers.

Taking a positive look at the negative effects, it shows us where griefers can be stopped, it makes us find ways of countering scammers by method or by education, it makes us look at ways of keeping the underaged safer, it makes us look for means to prevent or deal with troublemakers.

The reason cars are safer now, despite thinner sheet metal, is because cars were crashed.

This will be a troubling time because of all the faults we will see in SL, but the result of fixing these faults is a much better SL than what was there before.


So basically SL is still in an Alpha test phase? Not even Beta yet? Does that make the "official Beta" from way back when really a pre-Alpha proof of concept?
jrrdraco Oe
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08-08-2006 11:37
Merge Grids, sure.

And merge with Nasa, and FBI and security and white house, why? are we all not humans?

or are we all being discriminated?
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Anna Bobbysocks
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08-08-2006 12:36
Uhhh, this already happened.

boy you folks are behind the curve!
Jesse Malthus
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08-08-2006 12:39
From: Anna Bobbysocks
Uhhh, this already happened.

boy you folks are behind the curve!

? I really don't understand.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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08-08-2006 13:06
From: Jesse Malthus
And I haven't heard about the problems with the Wells Fargo pro[j]ect, do tell.

Wells Fargo approached the Lindens and essentially asked for their own autonomous system. LL gave them an island (publicized here at the time) to build their project. Ultimately, a support snafu and the inability to split the grid for such a small project made WF migrate the project to ActiveWorlds.

While I won't point fingers or take sides there, it underlines a clear problem in the architecture of Second Life. And to the best of my understanding, as evidenced countless times, it remains.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-08-2006 13:15
From: IC Fetid
So basically SL is still in an Alpha test phase? Not even Beta yet? Does that make the "official Beta" from way back when really a pre-Alpha proof of concept?


The software that drives the internet, from HTML to PHP etc, are in constant development, things get added, things get improved. Sometimes websites have to be redone to accomodate changes in specs or to take advantage of the new technology.

Think of SL as another rendition of the internet where scripts are web applications, our content are web content, our parcels are webspaces, and our avatars are a combination of web browser and online presence.

Now to translate:

The software that drives Second Life is in constant development, things get added, things get improved. Sometimes our scripts and builds have to be redone to accomodate the changes in specs or to take advantage of the newer features.

I don't think SL will ever stop evolving.

It's not a misnomer that SL's host is Linden Lab. SL is a grand lab experiment where our subscriptions and suggestions support the research.
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jrrdraco Oe
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08-08-2006 13:35
From: Aodhan McDunnough
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The software that drives Second Life is in constant development, things get added, things get improved. Sometimes our scripts and builds have to be redone to accomodate the changes in specs or to take advantage of the newer features.

I don't think SL will ever stop evolving.

It's not a misnomer that SL's host is Linden Lab. SL is a grand lab experiment where our subscriptions and suggestions support the research.


There is some truth in that, even the pharmacy industry that injects a loads of money every year on research does not always get the expected result from their labs. It is always improving and modifying. And we, are fuzzy lab mices, right brain?
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Steve Steed
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08-08-2006 13:45
From: Jesse Malthus
So, from rumors and other sources I've been able to speculatvly deduce that the Teen Grid and Main Grid will be merging sometime in the future.


NO!!

The Teen Grid, and the Main Grid will NOT be merging sometime in the future or ever. The rumors are just rumors and this is all. It is NOT going to happin.
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Snark Serpentine
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08-08-2006 13:48
From: Steve Steed
NO!!

The Teen Grid, and the Main Grid will NOT be merging sometime in the future or ever. The rumors are just rumors and this is all. It is NOT going to happin.

But I've heard it's eminent!
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