Why should I become a paying member?
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Dwight Clutterbuck
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Join date: 29 Mar 2006
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06-15-2006 13:07
Thanks for giving optimism a chance, Dook.  LOL But, back to the point: Cresten, only buy a premium account if you feel that it will add to your SL experience. I have only been part of SL since March, and have been having plenty of fun on my free basic account. Personally, I have no need to own land at the moment, and the 500L stipend per week really doesn't mean much to me, as there are other ways to make money in SL. (I worked as a live bartender at a club for a spell, and am currently an equal partner in a new club that's been open for about a month... still bartending in SL.  Good way to meet interesting folks, but I digress...) If nothing else, there is always the Lindex exchange to purchase linden dollars with US dollars, thereby supporting Linden Labs with RL currency.  So, if you are having a good time, and don't think that having a premium account can add to it, then why bother with it? Just my take on the situation, take it for what it's worth. 
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-15-2006 13:10
From: Burnman Bedlam Very good question indeed. I'll have to snoop around and see what I can find when I have more time (at work). When you do, could you please IM me in world? At work, too, and leaving for a week after I get off from here.
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Burnman Bedlam
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06-15-2006 13:10
This is good advice. It's the "don't go premium because LL sucks, or SL is on it's way out" BS that I can't stand. If you don't like it, then why do you stay? Dwight, I commend you. From: Dwight Clutterbuck Thanks for giving optimism a chance, Dook.  LOL But, back to the point: Cresten, only buy a premium account if you feel that it will add to your SL experience. I have only been part of SL since March, and have been having plenty of fun on my free basic account. Personally, I have no need to own land at the moment, and the 500L stipend per week really doesn't mean much to me, as there are other ways to make money in SL. (I worked as a live bartender at a club for a spell, and am currently an equal partner in a new club that's been open for about a month... still bartending in SL.  Good way to meet interesting folks, but I digress...) If nothing else, there is always the Lindex exchange to purchase linden dollars with US dollars, thereby supporting Linden Labs with RL currency.  So, if you are having a good time, and don't think that having a premium account can add to it, then why bother with it? Just my take on the situation, take it for what it's worth. 
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Wanda Rich
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Join date: 22 Apr 2006
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06-15-2006 13:13
From: Cresten Pixie I have been in Second Life for about a week. I'm having a BLAST!! I'm learning the building tools, I've got a massive inventory of stuff that was absolutely FREE! The places that charge $1L for stuff usually have someone there who gives out a few $L's to newbies such as me so that they can buy their "free" boxes (why do they charge $1L for "free" stuff anyway?) I have been dissappointed to find EVERY money tree empty, but I really havn't needed to buy anything yet anyway. Way too much to look at right now to make any purchase decisions. Sure I don't "look" as good as all the members who have nice skins, designer clothes and shoes, and great hair-do's, but I havn't really found that people treat me any differently because of it. I have seen a few job opportunities if I want to dress scantily and shake my booty in front of someone but I'm not so sure anyone would hire me unless I was able to get a new skin, some scanty clothes, buy some sexy dances/poses, and get a better hair-do. I don't have land so I have no need for furniture or a house. Right now I understand paying members get $500L a week and the right to hold land, but from what I've read on the forums and web sites, some big changes in the amount of $L's non paying members are recieving have taken place. Lots of people want paying members to stop recieving their stipend, and the way Linden Labs responded with cutting the $L's that non-paying members get makes me think that the $L's that paying members get will be reduced or gone before too long. I don't think $10 a month, $23 every 3 months, or even $72 a year is worth the right to own land that you have to pay even more for. And unless there is more of a guarantee in the amount and continuation of the paying-member weekly $L's I can't see spending the money for a paid account and land ownership costs. So please convince me to become a paid member. I'd really like to get some land, but if I have to pay for the right to get land, but I still have to pay for the land and pay extra if I want more than 512 sqm why should I pay a membership fee also unless I am guaranteed some spending $$ also? What can a paid member (if there was no stipend) do that a non paying member can't do? Your whole post is centred around getting free stuff and complaining as to why you would bother buying anything when so much is free. You even complain about paying a measly $L1 for stuff so I don't think anyone should bother trying to convince you to become a premium member. Are you one of those people who sends begging IM's to random members?
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
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06-15-2006 13:15
From: Dook Buckenburger didnt read what was said 6 months ago was too busy playin in sl , i dont usually go round forums ,, Me neither. I just started trolling here when I got my temp job, since it's boring as hell and I have a lot of free time between cut/paste-wait-for-database-to-load. But from what I remember in-world, it was stuff like zOMG, prim taxes will kill LL zOMG land barons will kill LL zOMG $L hoggs and money barons will kill LL zOMG al these bugs if not fixed will kill LL and so on and so forth. It's pretty much a continuous cycle, really. As for all the young kids flooding it, I don't know if that would be too much of a problem. I mean, there are definitely some things that younger kids should learn that adults, in their naivete, don't let them till they're "old enough," and as someone I wish I remembered who said, "The sad thing about SL is that there's a lot of sexual predators. The great thing about SL is that there's a lot of sexual prey." Take what you will from that 
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Burnman Bedlam
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06-15-2006 13:31
From: Rasah Tigereye When you do, could you please IM me in world? At work, too, and leaving for a week after I get off from here. Sure thing Have a good trip... I'm jealous!
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
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06-15-2006 13:36
From: Burnman Bedlam Sure thing Have a good trip... I'm jealous! I'm just going to Cape Cod and Boston MA, the liberal bastions of the world (if by "the world" you mean "USA"  . It's sadly not Florida, and cold water makes me cold and wet.
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Enabran Templar
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06-15-2006 13:38
I think if you can't come up with a reason to become a premium member, it's just not for you. When you need the land, you'll make the decision then.
It's like having a banana and saying "Why should I eat this banana?"
Well, are you hungry? No? Well, okay then.
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Burnman Bedlam
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06-15-2006 13:38
From: Rasah Tigereye I'm just going to Cape Cod and Boston MA, the liberal bastions of the world (if by "the world" you mean "USA"  . It's sadly not Florida, and cold water makes me cold and wet. LOL - You're coming to my neck of the woods. I live 35 miles southwest of Boston, almost into Rhode Island. Oh, and we have red tide up here too, so don't drink the ocean water. 
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Wildefire Walcott
Heartbreaking
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
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06-15-2006 13:38
Cindy C. said almost everything I would have, so I won't repeat her, but I'll add a few things.
I'm not sure if this is the case with ALL people who rent land, but I've had friends who encountered trouble with disruptive players in their homes and weren't able to do immediately do anything about it because they didn't own the land and their landlords weren't around at the time. When you own the land you're on, however, you've got great tools available, like Freeze which totally locks the intruder (I think it even blocks teleport?), Eject to kick them off, and Ban which adds them to your ban list.
Sure, there are weapons you can get to blast griefers away when you don't own the property, but I think they flag a PvP event which the griefer can use to file a vindictive abuse report against you. (This is exactly what happened the other day when a friend used a script to protect me from an out-of-control player at a club the other day.)
I went premium simply because by nature I'm an owner, not a renter, although I very much like and use the Freeze/Eject/Ban features, about once a week now. I own a fair amount more land than the average player (for someone who doesn't deal in real estate or own any significant commercial build, at least), and I don't have a source of in-game income (I'm currently letting friends sell things from my store for free), so Second Life is a significant real-life money sink for me. Really, though, I just consider it another bill, like cable... okay, factoring in LindeX purchases, in my case it's actually more like a car payment. But still, I play SL a lot more than I drive or watch TV, so it's still worth it.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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Join date: 20 Feb 2004
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06-15-2006 13:39
From: Wanda Rich Your whole post is centred around getting free stuff and complaining as to why you would bother buying anything when so much is free.
You even complain about paying a measly $L1 for stuff so I don't think anyone should bother trying to convince you to become a premium member.
Are you one of those people who sends begging IM's to random members? I'm not complaining at all...if someone hadn't given me a few $L's I wouldn't have bought the $1 boxes since I didn't have any $$. I'm saying there is plenty to do and get without spending a dime or a $L, so IF paying member stipends were removed what incentive is there to be a paying member? I was confused as to why everything was advertised as free when it cost $1L, but now I understand it is for people wanting to keep track of how many they have "sold". No I don't beg because currently I havn't found anything that I NEED $$ for. It seems flawed to me that a person can enjoy second life so much without spending a dime. I guess I don't understand why, if Linden Labs wants to make money off second life, they even offer a free membership? I do agree with the, support it so it's still around in 6 months and if anything could convince me to pay for a membership that would, but seems like $10 a month is pennies compared to all the people paying almost $200 for islands (I had no idea it was that much) From: Dwight Clutterbuck I worked as a live bartender at a club for a spell, and am currently an equal partner in a new club that's been open for about a month... still bartending in SL. Bartendering??? How do you bartender in second life??? everywhere I've been has "click on the bar and get a drink" or "say which drink you want and get it" bars...that's a nice alternative to booty shaking.
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Jack Harker
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06-15-2006 13:43
From: Cresten Pixie I have been in Second Life for about a week. I'm having a BLAST!! I'm learning the building tools, I've got a massive inventory of stuff that was absolutely FREE! The places that charge $1L for stuff usually have someone there who gives out a few $L's to newbies such as me so that they can buy their "free" boxes (why do they charge $1L for "free" stuff anyway?) I have been dissappointed to find EVERY money tree empty, but I really havn't needed to buy anything yet anyway. Way too much to look at right now to make any purchase decisions. Sure I don't "look" as good as all the members who have nice skins, designer clothes and shoes, and great hair-do's, but I havn't really found that people treat me any differently because of it.
I have seen a few job opportunities if I want to dress scantily and shake my booty in front of someone but I'm not so sure anyone would hire me unless I was able to get a new skin, some scanty clothes, buy some sexy dances/poses, and get a better hair-do.
I don't have land so I have no need for furniture or a house.
Right now I understand paying members get $500L a week and the right to hold land, but from what I've read on the forums and web sites, some big changes in the amount of $L's non paying members are recieving have taken place. Lots of people want paying members to stop recieving their stipend, and the way Linden Labs responded with cutting the $L's that non-paying members get makes me think that the $L's that paying members get will be reduced or gone before too long.
I don't think $10 a month, $23 every 3 months, or even $72 a year is worth the right to own land that you have to pay even more for. And unless there is more of a guarantee in the amount and continuation of the paying-member weekly $L's I can't see spending the money for a paid account and land ownership costs.
So please convince me to become a paid member. I'd really like to get some land, but if I have to pay for the right to get land, but I still have to pay for the land and pay extra if I want more than 512 sqm why should I pay a membership fee also unless I am guaranteed some spending $$ also?
What can a paid member (if there was no stipend) do that a non paying member can't do? First of all, stipends for Premium accounts are *not* going to go away. LL would be cutting their own throats to do that. But even if they did, you have a contract, and they'd keep paying you your stipend until your premium account came up for renewal, so you aren't at any risk there. You're also mistaken about having to spend extra money to have land. One of the benefits of having a Premium account is that it allows you to own 512m of land. You only have to pay more if you want to own more than 512m. Another thing that you get with a premium account is the right to get First Land. LL offers 512m plots of land for $L512. Currently, a 512m plot of land near me goes for about $L3800, so just by buying and turrning around and reselling you could make a profit there. Also, you're new, and yes, there's a ton of stuff to do and get that doesn't cost anything, but it really is nice to have a space to call your own, and a place to bring your friends to once you make them, etc. as well as a place to set up and use the cool stuff you get. 3 months of a premium account is only $25 or so, which is peanuts compared to most other online games, and as I said, they are *not* going to cut premium stipends. Personally, I'd go for it.
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Kristian Ming
Head Like A Hole
Join date: 5 Feb 2005
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06-15-2006 13:46
From: Cindy Claveau As I understand it, if it's free they don't get a record of the transaction. By charging $1L, they can then track what's being purchased. This is a common misconception because you don't see it on the web view. However, if you download the XLS of your daily transactions, these sales do appear. I'm unsure why LL decided to do it that way. You'll even see inventory transactions between avatars showing up as transactions, etc.
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Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
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06-15-2006 13:49
From: Burnman Bedlam LOL - You're coming to my neck of the woods. I live 35 miles southwest of Boston, almost into Rhode Island. Oh, and we have red tide up here too, so don't drink the ocean water.  Red tide? What's that? By the way, what's the water temperature like? It is warm enough to swim yet? (ps.s I hate hate HATE cold water, so anything below 60 I won't touch)
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Dwight Clutterbuck
Resident Maniac Cowboy
Join date: 29 Mar 2006
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06-15-2006 13:55
From: Burnman Bedlam Dwight, I commend you.  No need for the commendation, Burnam. Just calling it as I see it. Occasionally, by doing so I seem to say something that makes sense... 
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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06-15-2006 13:55
My fiance bought me my Premium Account even though she doesnt like SL, she knows I do. When she starts nursing school later this year I'll take over paying for it.
I use the $L500 stipend for uploading stuff for my shop & once a month I buy a large amount of Lindens to use for spending on other things.
Thats how I split it up as a Premium member.
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Cresten Pixie
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Join date: 12 Jun 2006
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06-15-2006 14:05
Whoops...I'm at my sister's and just realized that I forgot to log her out and log myself in before posting....the musicteacher Rampal post above is really me  I did not mean to sound as if I'm complaining. I'm just having trouble figuring out the incentive to upgrade. I appreciate the polite heartfelt answers and you've given me a lot to think about. Jack, thanks for pointing out that the stipends would last the duration of the paid for length of time. That does make me feel better about paying. Thank you for your help everyone. Lots of good points. Cresten
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Zapoteth Zaius
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06-15-2006 14:31
Unless you need to own land you can't rent, I'd stick with basic. If you need land for something, try renting, but please please PLEASE ask for reccomendations, don't go for the first person you find or the cheapest, talk to some people and ask. I highly reccomend Hiro Queso </plug>.
If you need Lindens you can always buy some on Lindex or from another third party site, but again get reccomendations before using a third party site.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-15-2006 14:55
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-15-2006 14:58
From: Cresten Pixie I have been in Second Life for about a week. I'm having a BLAST!! I'm learning the building tools, I've got a massive inventory of stuff that was absolutely FREE! The places that charge $1L for stuff usually have someone there who gives out a few $L's to newbies such as me so that they can buy their "free" boxes (why do they charge $1L for "free" stuff anyway?) I have been dissappointed to find EVERY money tree empty, but I really havn't needed to buy anything yet anyway. Way too much to look at right now to make any purchase decisions. Sure I don't "look" as good as all the members who have nice skins, designer clothes and shoes, and great hair-do's, but I havn't really found that people treat me any differently because of it. I have seen a few job opportunities if I want to dress scantily and shake my booty in front of someone but I'm not so sure anyone would hire me unless I was able to get a new skin, some scanty clothes, buy some sexy dances/poses, and get a better hair-do. I don't have land so I have no need for furniture or a house. Right now I understand paying members get $500L a week and the right to hold land, but from what I've read on the forums and web sites, some big changes in the amount of $L's non paying members are recieving have taken place. Lots of people want paying members to stop recieving their stipend, and the way Linden Labs responded with cutting the $L's that non-paying members get makes me think that the $L's that paying members get will be reduced or gone before too long. I don't think $10 a month, $23 every 3 months, or even $72 a year is worth the right to own land that you have to pay even more for. And unless there is more of a guarantee in the amount and continuation of the paying-member weekly $L's I can't see spending the money for a paid account and land ownership costs. So please convince me to become a paid member. I'd really like to get some land, but if I have to pay for the right to get land, but I still have to pay for the land and pay extra if I want more than 512 sqm why should I pay a membership fee also unless I am guaranteed some spending $$ also? What can a paid member (if there was no stipend) do that a non paying member can't do? I was a basic member for my first 3-4 months, and during that time "bought" land from Nexus Nash and Adam Zaius. At no time did I ever purchase Lindens. I figured there would come a time when I wanted to go premium, and I did. I still live on land I "bought" from Nexus and Adam, but now I also have a store on land that is directly paid for to the Lindens. I think you will know when you want land, and then, whether or not you want to own it yourself, or buy or rent it from someone else. Chances are good that if you are enjoying the game this much, that time will come! Whether - like me - for having a shop on, or for whatever idea you get in mind. When you get an idea and want to do it, then you will want to become premium. Unless it will be like a number of others, who get and do their ideas without ever wanting to become premium. There are ways, either way. coco P.S. It is a different feeling - owning your own land versus "owning" it, or renting it - from others. Different, not necessarily better for everyone.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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06-15-2006 15:09
From: Enabran Templar I think if you can't come up with a reason to become a premium member, it's just not for you. When you need the land, you'll make the decision then. It's like having a banana and saying "Why should I eat this banana?" Well, are you hungry? No? Well, okay then. Best . . . Enabran post . . . ever. coco
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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06-15-2006 15:23
From: Cresten Pixie I have been in Second Life for about a week. I'm having a BLAST!! I'm learning the building tools, I've got a massive inventory of stuff that was absolutely FREE! The places that charge $1L for stuff usually have someone there who gives out a few $L's to newbies such as me so that they can buy their "free" boxes (why do they charge $1L for "free" stuff anyway?) I have been dissappointed to find EVERY money tree empty, but I really havn't needed to buy anything yet anyway. Way too much to look at right now to make any purchase decisions. Sure I don't "look" as good as all the members who have nice skins, designer clothes and shoes, and great hair-do's, but I havn't really found that people treat me any differently because of it. I have seen a few job opportunities if I want to dress scantily and shake my booty in front of someone but I'm not so sure anyone would hire me unless I was able to get a new skin, some scanty clothes, buy some sexy dances/poses, and get a better hair-do. I don't have land so I have no need for furniture or a house. Right now I understand paying members get $500L a week and the right to hold land, but from what I've read on the forums and web sites, some big changes in the amount of $L's non paying members are recieving have taken place. Lots of people want paying members to stop recieving their stipend, and the way Linden Labs responded with cutting the $L's that non-paying members get makes me think that the $L's that paying members get will be reduced or gone before too long. I don't think $10 a month, $23 every 3 months, or even $72 a year is worth the right to own land that you have to pay even more for. And unless there is more of a guarantee in the amount and continuation of the paying-member weekly $L's I can't see spending the money for a paid account and land ownership costs. So please convince me to become a paid member. I'd really like to get some land, but if I have to pay for the right to get land, but I still have to pay for the land and pay extra if I want more than 512 sqm why should I pay a membership fee also unless I am guaranteed some spending $$ also? What can a paid member (if there was no stipend) do that a non paying member can't do? No, 'lots' of people doe not want the premium stipend gone. Only an extremely small portion of the premium base does. Secondlife is different for everyone though. If you don't want to be premium, don't be. Its all up to your goals and choices.
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Io Zeno
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06-15-2006 15:29
I will also point out, from a renter's perspective, that the streaming music isn't really an issue at all. I looked at dozens of places, cheap cottages, that not only allow streaming music, many also have a radio built in. If you are renting land, they almost always allow music streams.
Now, I'm cheap and decided to rent an apartment which doesn't have streaming music allowed, at this point. However, it is on a lovely private island and my prim allowance is greater than if I owned my own 512 of land. Which is the case for most rentals, as well, you get more prims, and that's in addition to house you are renting. Put down a pre-fab and at least a third of the tiny prim allowance you have is already gone. Which is why you see a lot of empty newbie homes, heh.
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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06-15-2006 17:02
From: Io Zeno Don't they make most of their money on tier, anyway? And I buy plenty of lindens which goes right in their pockets as well. I just don't see the big incentive to be a premium member, 512 of land surrounded by spinning cubes, casinos and tringo on the mainland? If they want premium members, they need to sweeten the pot, for me. When you buy lidens, you are not buying them from LL, you are buying from another person in SL. The lindens don't get the money, the person selling those lindens does. What I am saying is that if you like being in Second Life, isn't that reason enough to support it? You are getting entertainment, why not pay for it? Have you seen this thread? I think you might want to read it: /112/86/113652/1.html
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Rose Bradley
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06-15-2006 17:10
LL is making money
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