Bring out your Masters!

If a gorean refered to anyone else as "Insular Elitists" I do believe a cosmic rift would form and the entire universe would be destroyed from the sheer level of irony released into it.

Actually, no, what ageplayers are saying is that adults occasionally want to roleplay different ages, which you would know if you actually had read any of that thread rather than just wanked over that thread.

But I guess it's easier to just spew bullshit.

Christ, for once, I'm with Kiamat.

Which is about the best I could expect from this *cough* gentleman *cough* after his behaviour at my sim a few days ago. Teleporting into a store, and immediately beginning to insult every woman in sight with slurs is hardly the behaviour of someone I would hold up as an example of the moral high ground. Wouldn't surprise me to find him on far more ban lists than mine.

Now that's class.

Wow. What a major misrepresentation of Age Play. And quite inflamatory really.

I hope the Goreans are peace-loving if you are going to twist the facts to fit your own view no matter what and you do that as much to the Gorean as you have with Age Play.

I don't think that anyone was actualy saying this--which is at any rate pretty limited perspective on an incredibly complex piece of literature.

Most serious examinations of Nabakov's novel focus more on the nature of Humbert's internal demons and how he responds to them--the pull of self-destructive behavior and its consequences--and the irony of the fact that unlike other characters in the book, Humbert does apparently actually love the girl on some level, and it is perhaps love, as much as his negative compulsions, that drives him into his ultimately violent and desparate situation.

Beyond the story itself, it is important to keep in mind that the book was also meant as commentary on American culture and society in the mid-20th century--oddly enough, much in the same way that the earliest examples of Profesor Norman's Gor novels function in an interesting way as socio-political commentary on America in the 1960s (questions on the nature of freedom, the individual in a militarized society, the role of the technocracy, etc.).

It's interesting that as we bring up literary references as having signficance within the platform, if we try to examine tham on different levels, we find that they can speak to us in layered ways. They can have significance with regards to issues that we didn't intitially see them as addressing. Maybe instead of just reacting eviscerally to certain topics like flexible age fanasies and the curious lure of being or owning an enslaved person, it would be fun to examine some of these in-world issues from a more complex perspective.

For example, when I spent time among Gorean folk, I had a certain gut level reaction to their peculiar institution that was quite uncomfortable. At the same time, the more I observed the behavior and interactions of the "owners" and the "owned," the more I found myself questioning which group actually had more freedom--and what different kinds of freedom are possible or desirable for different people in different circumstances.

After all, I think that was a good bit of what of what John Norman was trying to accomplish with some of the aspects of the early Gor novels--to get us to consider just how free members of a modern technology-based capitalist society actually are. The answer is niether simple nor obvious, but worth discussing--and one of the beauties of the platform is that it does bring up new possiblities for exploring issues of freedom and personal and social responsibility in a flexible--but essentially safe--context.

I do wish the gorean masters would speak up.. seeing the "slaves" speak up just is contradictory..

Nothing to really speak up ABOUT Volatile....
These threads pop up regularly, and invariably end up as flamefests and troll bait.
Gor is Gor.....SL Gor has many differing ways of being played, and ultimately people accept it, or diss it. 27 page threads achieve nothing new, and a quick search will show all the conflicting arguements from all sides without starting another.
And yes...it's true.... most Goreans I know, rarely bother with the forums.
Peace all.

Someone once told me that virtual Goreans are "soft" on slavery, especially in Second Life.

I'm closing this thread because it has historical redundancy, trolling/flaming and it cannot end well. This thread cannot achive anything that is good for the community (except maybe a little humor ).