Is this guy serious?

I just read this over on the Hotline:


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What do you guys think about users (with no Linden approval) patrolling the sandboxes and using gravity guns to trap "offenders" until the Lindens show up?

Yes, there are griefers, but is the solution to form roving gangs of self-styled "police" and attack back?

Does anyone want to start a pool to see how long it will be before this guy (or the whole group) gets suspended? I'm guessing it won't be long.

LL needs to leverage this energy.

Yea i saw him there yesterday, people using cagers and guns, its pretty crazy on that island

Although if you looks at the signs i dont think a personal shield with attacking capabilities falls into the "simple scripts" field of a sandbox, and if they do attack you thats pvp

Same with using any type of security script there, and why need an office its a sandbox lol, if you see trouble call a linden and rebuse report who ever is shooting and if wearing a shield that attacks back thats just as bad so report them too.

I'd just report them if they did anything to me.

That's what we call a "vigilante." It's not okay and I look forward to Linden Lab imposing some nice diciplinary sanctions on these children. In all likelihood, though, we're just talking about future teen grid deportees.

edit: Also, it's great to see such a blatant and public confession of TOS violation.

The guy is like 2 weeks old and believes that LL doesn't care that he's doing this. Hell he even formed the SL Armed Forces like this is some kind of war sim. If you see him assault anyone whether they're griefing or not, Abuse Report him and any of his croanies. There's no special treatment, even you can get AR'd by a griefer and still get in trouble.

That's why they made the battle sandboxes which no one really uses.

But generally I just find these kinds of people amusing with their massive egos and open source push weapons that makes them think that they're the A-team or something.

let me clear this up...
we HAVE talked to lindens about this in-game, and they have approved of us patrolling the Island sandbox...

we have over 21 members in our group and counting, and we dont really want to cause any trouble, but all of us are sick and tired of having people attack us in safe havens.

clarifications on the questions:

Q1: SBS (Sandbox Security) has offices in the Island Sandbox. Is this OK?

Why not. We go through the trouble of re-rezzing it every 12 hours.

Q2: We use a shield to keep people from our offices who have previously harassed us about
Q6 instead of talking to a Linden. Is this OK?

Eh, maybe not. We're still waiting for a reply from the lindens that we have IMed on this.

Q3: They then complain that they cannot get to the object that they made that was conveniently placed in front of our door so that we can't get in. (We can't move the buiding or the stuff inside will be screwed up.) Is this fair? Because they didn't move their object when we asked them to.

Probably not, but hey, its a personal shield, so if we cant use it in the building, well use it on ourselves. No biggie.

Q4: Is it OK to use the persoal shield for what it was made for (used personally) instead of in our office? (Stupid question... why on people but not on buildings?)

See above.

Q5: Is it OK that we are armed when we approach somebody that has offended someone else? (One of us has a gravity gun to hold the person in the air, one of us has a cager to cage the person, and one of use has a push gun if the person gets out and starts shooting.) Fight fire with fire, so to speak.

Ok, so were going overboard on this one, I see. But... in real life, would you walk up to some massive dude with a bomb and an AK47 in real life without a gun, asking them to stop? I think not. I'll ask the lindens on this one, thank you.

Q6: Are we doing the Lindens' job, even though they aren't there for 80% of the time? I'm not complaining about that. Even Blue Linden said in my last post, "The Liaisons [or Lindens] are superb multi-taskers, but it's hard to be everywhere at once."

Yes, we are doing the lindens' job. But, as stated, they are almost never there.


And now for personal clarifications.

Nathan Stewart, we haven't yet actually used any of our weapons. So far the only craziness is the people who surround our office asking for memberships. We have gained 12 memberships since we set up the office (two days ago), previously we had only 9 people. And about the simple scripts... shields don't attack. They prevent people from attacking you. Realize that many people in sandboxes carry shields, and enemies almost always carry them. So, if you like, we'll take the shield out of the office and put it on ourselves, which I do (I have a copy on me all of the time). About the office itself... we have one just for kicks. No real reason, but its a place to hang out until we're called. It also has a camera setup that monitors sandbox activity within about a 80 m radius (this is as far as is visible to it).

nimrod Yaffle: we won't do anything to you unless you do something to us. The weapons are for defense, not attack. So, essentially, that is not a valid argument, for we would file 21 reports against you first if you attacked us. If you didn't everything would work out fine and there would be no reason to file a report.

Enabran Templar, I can assure you that I am NOT under 18 years old. As for the other members of the group, I am not absolutely sure. You'll have to check up on that, for I don't really care. As long as they don't start shooting other members of the group, then they're welcome to join our group. And I can guarantee that we have contacted a Linden and they have said that they're fine with the group. The only two things that they haven't approved of are the shield and the use of weapons. On the sandbox sign, it says "no shooting", not "no guns". Simply said, it is totally OK that we posess weapons, just we can't shoot them. It is a complex argument to say that they shoot us, so we fight back. We are contacting lindens about this. And about the shield, we've said it to many times that if the lindens dont approve, well take it down and use it on ourselves instead.

If you have any questions, post them below or IM me. If you have group questions NOT about any issues in this thread, feel free to IM anybody in SBS.

Part 2!

Ron Overdrive/Artemis Fate: This is my second account. The SL Armed Forces was a group decision, too... its just that I gave my old account away and had to get a new one. I can't say my old name, or the person will be bombed with attacks and stuff like that. And more people have complimented than complained. See how many people have joined since we bacame known? 12. How many people attacked us so far? 1. The SL Armed Forces, I forgot to say, is only for the battle sims. Members shouldn't have the SLAF group name up in other sims. If you see one, contact me. And let me say this again, we HAVE contacted lindens and they are OK with us. We are still waiting for their comments on the shield and the weapons, so we haven't used the weapons yet. We also haven't had a time when we have needed them. And if you want to talk about our egos, dont talk to me, talk to an officer.

EDIT: I searched "army" in the group search and came up with countless entries. So if you want to complain about the SLAF, you better have a better reason.

Another thing: I transferred my account to my brother, which does not qualify as a TOS violation. He uses the same computer.

The sandboxes are not there to be used as permanent places of operation. Folks who want a continuous presence for inworld objects need to buy or rent enough land to support the number of prims they want to maintain inworld or find a landowner willing to donate the land. Attempting to circumvent this by rerezzing structures repeatedly can result in warnings, suspension or account closure, depending on the size and nature of your rap sheet.

Im glad that you havent used weapons as i will have absolutely no hesitation for reporting anybody that hits me with one, just as a note a personal shield will stop you being attacked yes, but it will also stop pvp reports being detected by your client and providing a means to report the users for abuse, although wearing the shield if you touch me, it will trigger a "you have been pushed by a scripted object" abuse report. and yes many shields do fight back i have seen them in they sandbox you were mentioning yesterday and they were reported, personally i have no shield, and no big guns, just the freebies, i get to test the big guns in preview and shields too so know what they do and how they can crash and act on a sim thats laggy, especially with all those sensors flying around on an attack shield, really goes way beyond simple scripts, but luckily being unshielded the first bullet that hits me or shield that touches me triggers a pvp report and it gets filed. so be warned

As the population of SL continues to grow (1,000,000 active residents... 25,000,000 active residents, etc) LL staff will not have enough manpower to handle all resident calls for help (real or imagined). It is a natural progression that SL develope pockets (groups of sims) that maintain their own elected governmental control (with law enforcement).

Residents who don't agree with what the elected officials are doing in one area should have the right to vote in new government officials, or move to another pocket of sims which are run by officials more inline with their own ideas on how SL should be run.

This seems like the first step in that direction.

You're own words buddy, stop contradicting yourself.



This is called squatting. Its illegal.



If its something simple as a door that only phantoms or opens when authorized users touch it then no. But if its the kind that repells, even if its the smallest push, is a reportable offence. Again you're also squatting so we know this isn't a simple "eject from land" or "send target home" script.



Building security devises and personal security devices work slightly different. Many personal security devices are simply sitting on a nonphysical object that can move around using llSetPos or place a solid non-physical object between the attacker & victem. Building security devices act as a simple banned list. Being that you're squatting and don't own the land you're limited to Pushing or Shooting the offender, since you're in a non-combat sim that kinda leaves it open to only one thing, wich as said before is a reportable offence.



LL's responce will also be the same as they tell you in junior high: "Block or take the hit and wait for help to arive in the form of an authority figure." LL can easily ban you just as quickly for fighting back. And yes this has happened before. Personally I believe everyone should have the right to defend themselves, but my opinion has little influence on LL on this subject.



No arguement there, but again you ADMITTED to me just a few minutes before your post that you weren't given special powers to patrol sandboxes performing the job of a security officer then turned around and claimed you were. Until we recieve OFFICIAL word from the Lindens that they approve and support what you do I'll take your word with a grain of salt.

Hello. I am RipperT Gumshoe, an officer of Sandbox Security. Peter Nelson took sandbox security way too serisouly. It is just for fun. The only enforcment we do at the sandbox is if anyone breaks the rules, we tell them once not to do it, and thats it. There is no Grav gun, and Peter Nelson was the one that made the object to push people away. Please don't judge SBS when Peter Nelson was the man infact that made this up. I have spoken to Nigel Linden about it, and you can ask him if you don't believe me. I hope you still don't feal the same way about SBS as before.

Again, its just for fun, and we know we don't own the sandbox and can't control anyone.

Thank you for your time.

-RipperT Gumshoe

If you have any other questions, PLEASE IM me, or another officer of the group.

Thanks!

-RipperT Gumshoe

Greetings and Hello to all Forum posters and watchers Im the founder and leader to the sandbox Patrol. Im going to keep this post short and simple because there is not a lot to it.
The SandBox Patrol was founded to be a group for friends, Builders and basic sandbox Junkys. We do try to help new builders and help keep the sandbox a friendly and helpful place no member or officer of the Sandbox Patrol has been told to fight push or grif. All gear used by the sandbox patrol is ment to be for fun and help people the weapon givin to all members is a modded pistol that fires colored bubbles they deal no damage and do no push.

With all of this said I would like to add that shields are more then welcomed for all members of The Sandbox patrol and we do ask all members to report problems to the live help and not to push and grif back with no end. We are here t try and make the sandbox a better place not play soldier, If and when we do get a offical Ok to enforce and act as officers of the sandboxs this is how things are and will be all members who are found doing other wise will be removed fromt he group for one months time.

Thank you everyone and anyone who took the time to read this and I hope this clears any misunderstandings if you have any questions please IM me in Secondlife.

from Robin Linden from Hotline to Linden




LOL!!!... he says no to you! It is a Lindens' job that is what thay get payed for.. and your job is to have fun that is what you pay for. So go have some fun and let the Lindens do there jobs. Why pay for SL to just come in and do a job for some one if there the one geting payed to do it and not you?

The Lindens consider if you fire at a Griefer you yourself then become one and are equally likely to get banned. .

vigilantes hmm amusing , so basically you ask peoples to kick your ass right?

since they arent part of LL i guess its okay to bash em if they dare to disturb me i guess

looks like sl has some more fun left after all

WTG Robin... Take that you varments.

Just going to clean this up one more time for everyone that may have missed it.. Peter Nelson is in no way part of the leadership or even a member of The Sandbox patrol. His comments where false, Peter Nelson was once a member joined as his 3 day of playing on his account but due to grifing and guideing a group he is in no way control in to a bad light he was banned for one months time from the Sandbox Patrol group. Any thing said by Anyone other then my self, RipperT Gumshoe and any of the other few officers is to be ignored as false comments.

Hello. I know I made a comment to this matter but I have to again. I am an officer of Sandbox Security and don't listen to Peter's questions. He was asked to be in the group this weekend and he took it too seriously. There is no vigilantism on the Sandbox. We aren't taking the Linden's jobs, and the office is just for fun. It's just a place to hang out if we are "PLAYING" Sandbox Security. Sandbox Security is "JUST" a game. The force field, the grav gun, the cage, and all of the other rediculous things he said was his object. Yes it is a public and we have no control over the people there.

And to the comment made by Magnum. We don't use scripted guns that have push pullets or damage bullets. Like Kosheen said, we have a basic gun that shoots little bubbles and makes a little splash noise that does "NOT" push, or have any side effects. It just remains on the person's body for a few seconds, and then disapears. So please again, Sandbox Security is "JUST" for fun and don't take it seriously like Peter Nelson did.

Once again, I hope I settled this matter.

IM me or another officer if you have any further questions.

Thank you!

-RipperT Gumshoe

Not qualified to say whether there should be protection services or not. However, I was intrigued by the mention of a gravity gun. Is this real? If so, could I have a demo?

Ashling, i really appreciate people like you that realize that while SL grows, the Lindens don't grow exactly with it. There will, eventually, be a time in which SL is released into total user control, in which Lindens have power but are not abundant enough to protect citizens. This is that first step.

The people in SS dont understand that this group is worth it (I have been kicked for a month because they think i took things too far... screw them im not going back to that crud) and could possibly become a thriving business, with divisions for all sorts of jobs. People could be paid to patrol other's land. Think of it! The entire world could be user controlled! SL's actual theory would work. They claim that this is a world run by its citizens, but so far SS is the only security company to set foot in SL other than the Lindens, which are citizens but they posess power, which makes them more than citizens.

RipperT lied. He claims that the weapon that SS uses is no push and only is a bubble. Correct, we do use those weapons, but I have seen RipperT himself using a full-blown sniper rifle (or something to that extent)... the ultimate push gun. I personally do have a copy of the weapons he mentioned... and so does most of the SS staff. While I was in SS, we HAVE gone on calls from people in the sandbox and many people actually appreciate our services.

Ms. Dana, I can assure you that ALL OF THE ABOVE COMMENTS ARE TRUE AND VERIFIED BY MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEEN SS IN ACTION.

I also know that yes, all SS members are equipped with the gun I mentioned before. They also own multiple other weapons. Kosheen, listen to me: YOU ARE WRONG. SS staff have been seen using other weapons. Verify that with me or Schmee Cooper (has seen much of the SS in action and rest).

Also, RipperT, realize that damage cannot be made in sandboxes, so damage bullets have no effect.

DoctorMike, I have a copy of the grav gun that you can use for free because you didn't harass the SS. IM me for more info about it... Anyone feel free to unles you have harassed SS, then i obviously wont give you one .

Questions about what I have just wrote? IM me, I should respond in 24 hours or less.

Thank you for your understanding... or not.