What is this event doing here in SL?

I agree with everything else except this part LF.

The SL persona would need to be Apple Corp itself due to how US business law is. When you become incorporated, the corporation becomes a separate entity holding it's own accounts and activities. All patents,trademarks,IP rights in their products are owned by Apple corp, not Steve Jobs. He would still be accountable under US law for copyright and IP infringment. Heck, you can still be sued for embezzlement even if you are the only shareholder of the corporation and you take money out of it's coffers for your personal use without proper documentation that supports the reason why you did it. You have to treat the corporation like it is an individual person in a way, kinda like giving birth to a new entity when you incorporate any business.
This was gained from the last time I was reading up on business law when I started my own small biz, due to bad choices I had to close it down (mainly financial reasons as I couldn't afford to feed the company as it needed to be to get off the ground properly) So perhaps these laws have changed.

Oh please if I want an ipod I will go to the store and buy one. I don't need any fake "steve" to try and get me to view his web and spam to get one.

What else do i get in the deal? How about a toolbar that automaticaly installs and a few hundred ads popping up on my desktop daily. oh joy. Pfft nothing is for free, if it sounds to good to be true it is.

Steve take your rl product and shove it up your virtual...

Pen;

Go for it unless your going to also spam me with marketing crapola, or steal someones work to market it as your own.

Mar

It's funny that you all criticize my event without any background research. The website used to get the free iPod is a website that is run by Gratis Inc. Gratis is a well known company that has been running these promotions for several years. This company has been featured on such programs such as: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. This is NOT a scam website, and its obvious it isn't because it has received attention from the networks listed above. This is not the same website as the spam emails you get in your inbox.

We don't care. You're not allowed to advertise RL products inside SL. It's against the ToS.

Spam is unwanted advertising. I call this spam.

LF

I'll criticize you because you're cheesy and you're only in SL to hawk free iPods for some company. I don't have to know dick about Gratis Inc. to criticize you for that, either - all I have to do is look at your profile, both 1st and 2nd, where you have the same iPod photo and the same sales pitch that you put in your events listing.

You're one step from a bot, and you're lame.

Huh? I hadn't realized it was against the TOS to advertise RL products inside SL. So, it would be against the TOS for someone to sell RL wine at their SL vineyard & winery or skater stuff at a skatepark?

I mean for the average person, not you or someone we like, of course.

Could you clarify what is or is not permitted by the TOS versus what you think is okay or as another poster put it, against the spirit of SL? What is permitted is being muddled with the dislike of spam.

How am I bot? My sole purpose is not here for an iPod. I'm an active player. I work for Zoey Jade at Modern Masters... Sure my profile states a way to get a free iPod. Yes, I put that there so I can get one. BIG DEAL! You can advertise RL products... why not? Wouldn't advertising GOM be advertising RL products? After all, it was a REAL LIFE website, that made REAL LIFE money, yet it was tied into the game.

Oh and another thing...
How is this unwanted advertising? You're not forced to view this thread. Your not forced to read my event. You are not forced to attend my event. You are not forced to read my profile. This is not SPAM.

Carmo, we have standards. Anyone looking at the events calendar can see that. We will not stand for cheesy advertising.

I think it might be ok if you added your own music to the ipods, not sure though.

Sarcasm aside...





Even my example would be considered against ToS; it is simply a "better" way of doing things in my opinion. Selling something that a user made himself and owns the rights to is far better than Joe Q. Newb hawking iPods.

LF

I think of spam as something pops up on my screen, an im or a picture for example, for the purpose of telling me about an event which I didn't want to know about or to give me give me sales information which I did not want to receive. I'm not seeing how this is being forced upon me. Does something being unwanted, cheesy make it spam if it's not forced on you? I can ignore this on the events calendar just as easily as I do the sleazy stuff. Are you thinking it's llike a pyramid scheme and that is wahat violates the TOS?

Unsolicited or unauthorized. I don't see what the violation was with your selling your music here; were you forcing it on people? If Neph (or anyone else ) sells either her own RL clothing line or as a representative of a RL company, what's the problem? What if American Eagle or Abercrombie wants to sell to this market and likes her style, feels she would do up their line in virtual style? What about the 2 examples I asked about ealier? If you are acting with approval of the RL corporation so that copyright issues are avoided, I don't see the violation.

Please explain, all sarcasm aside.

in a way, i agree with the scammer: you should go there and spend money...
sayyy, about 10 LinDollars...
to take a snapshot of the bogus place...
and send your snapshots to the Lindens...
with complaints along with the photo.
maybe they'll get enough to find out how much this is annoying it's customers.
as for the scammers: "choke on that"

SL is not the "future of the Internet," meaning the network. The 'Net is a communications medium supporting a wide variety of applications and protocols. The 'Net is *not* the content that flows over it.

SL currently uses the 'Net as a way to carry traffic between the "viewer" on your machine, and LL's servers in a colo. These applications also use other protocols to tie into non-LL content and applications on the 'Net. SL is a great use of the 'Net to create a virtual space, and I'm eager to see where it goes.

So, SL will never become Internet X.0, though I'd like to see it become the premier virtual environment running over that network.

Most of you know this, and for the rest it probably doesn't seem relevant. I include it simply because of all the times I've had to listen to someone who's browser-du-jour isn't bringing up a page, and hear them cry out "Hey, the Internet's broken!" If one less person has to have something like that shouted at them, then this was worth a little typing.

Yes, of course you are right Zippity. I try to remember (and don't always succeed) to say "future OF THE Internet" instead of "the future internet". Because in my mind I think of them the same way and know what I mean, but you are right that not everyone would think that way.

Don't sweat it Pen -- I was still finishing my first coffee of the day, and may have been more grumpy than usual.

And SL is still the closest thing I've seen to a Metaverse out there.

Same sweet offer shows up in my forums every day!! sweet! free ipod

I bet with a bad battery as well HEHEHHEHEHE

Ok, so its not "spam".

Its an "in-world advertisment for a real-life product" - using a standard user account, on the standard main-grid.

This is the problem. Lordfly just picked the bad terminology and you all seems to stick to the dictionary book for some reason.

This is about advertising and pushing for real life services and products within SL - and that is a pretty bad thing, if not worse then spam.

Why?

I don't get it?

If Second Life is the [Metaverse]/[the next internet]/[the next web]/[insert other grandiose claim here] then this is exactly what we should be doing and can expect from it. What the hell is wrong with advertising your products here? Is it just not another form of marketing? How would having a plot in SL to advertise your RL products be any different from having a website?

On the other hand, if Second Life is just a game, then sure, it sucks.


Disclaimer: I do not think Second Life is or ever can be any of the things mentioned above.

I guess what it comes down to is, there seem to be two camps as far as what Second Life is and can be...

One camp sees SL as an extension to RL, a way to provide additional content to RL and a means of communicating with a wider RL audience through the SL interface. If this camp wins the struggle for definition of SL, then SL can indeed become the "New Internet", along with all marketing, cheese and spam that exists in RL already... but done up SL style.

The other camp sees SL as an escape from RL, and that no RL material should "pollute" the pure experience of SL as its own world. If this camp wins the struggle for definition of SL, then SL will be just a game and cannot ever become an effective marketing tool for RL products. It will still be subject to all the cheese and spam that exists in SL (Casinos, tringo, sexclubs, slingo, camp-chairs, "Yard-sales", etc etc etc etc etc....).

Personally, I am split... I would like to see camp one win, but I think it would be nice if there was some sort of preserve or reservation for people of the second camp, so that everyone can get what they want.

The best solution for this, IMHO of course, is for LL to submit the SL product to RCRF as a VRW protocol. Then License their product as a premade standardized software package that allows companies to host their own sims and tie into the grid. This would have a couple of benefits involved...

1) if the grid was dispersed among an interested business community, then having the entire VRW grid drop would be an uncommon event. On those events where the grid WAS dropped by griefing, bombing or DoS attacks, the griefers would end up facing charges as they should, since The GAP, NanoDyne, IntelliSync, and whoever else wanted to host a sim or subgrid for their own marketing would definitely pursue legal action for such an attack. A concerted effort of concerned corporations would be more readily able to foot the bill for legal fees in the pursuit of such attacks than a single small software dev company.

2) LL could continue to host the SL grid as part of their ongoing product development process, and the "purity" of SL could be preserved for those who want this as a "Get away from RL" kind of place. LL would continue to lease land as they have always done, and the people who want a "Pure SL experience" would have someplace where that was still real. This land leasing would generate income in addition to the income generated by the licensing of the SL grid-management software. The SL client can and should continue to be free so as to reach the maximum potential market.

I have a number of ideas on how to handle asset distribution to and from alien sims and grids. I have experience in large system data xfer protocols and distributed asset management. If LL is interested in my ideas, they can contact me for more information.

Show me the money