Kazenojin Status as of March 2005

The group is very nearly two years old. Unfortunately, it has been dormant for the last year. As Bino Arbuckle pointed out, pretty much no one goes to Gray to visit the station.

I propose that we scale back the build dramatically:

1. Kazenojin Mountain - that is, the Eiffel structure and sky cable - will stay
2. If there are enough prims to support it, we will allow Kazenojin to sell vehicles there
3. The power generator may be deleted to save prims, depending on how things work out
4. Structures in the air over Kazenojin Mountain (other than the sky cable) will probably have to go in order to conserve prims as well
5. The land under the airstrip, airport, and hangars will be taken over by land donors or sold to others; whoever gets these parcels may elect to maintain the existing structures, or nuke-and-pave the land and use it for whatever new thing they may want; keeping the land in the Kazenojin group is OK but not required
6. The two Kazenojin Valley plots that have been parceled out at the south of the simulator will be sold
7. Xylor Baysklef will decide whether he wants to keep the SLU building land (south side of Kazenojin Mountain)
8. Huns Valen will decide whether he wants to keep the Ocean Vista land (west side of Kazenojin Mountain)

Those who have contributed land to the Kazenojin will get first dibs on land; they will take it over without paying anything to anyone. Those who are members, but not contributing land, will get to buy the land at a price per meter agreed on by the land donors. This will probably be less than the market rate. Any land that isn't sold in this way will be put up for sale to any comer.

Kazenojin Mountain and the Eiffel structure will remain as a perpetual monument to the group. There should be enough land donated by several inactive lifetime members, plus whatever other donations people care to make, to preserve this historic build indefinitely.

Please note that I have written down the names of all land donors as of right now. This poll is public, and I can tell who has voted for what. If you vote and you're not a Kazenojin member who is donating land, your vote will not count (but you are free to vote anyway to express your opinion.) The poll will close in 30 days, but we may act before then if we get a decisive vote early enough.

For reference, here are the land donors and non-donor members. Only the donor members' votes will count, since they are the ones who have put up their personal resources to keep Kazenojin alive.

* = Admiral

Land Donors
> These members decide what we do next, and get first dibs on sold land.
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2048	* Bino Arbuckle
4096	* Goodwill Epoch
2126	* Huns Valen
7092	Athos Murphy
736	Hawk Statosky
4096	Judge Leviathan
2028	Nergal Fallingbridge
1024	Nikolai Weber
4096	Starwaster Peregrine
1536	Unhygienix Gullwing
4096	Xylor Baysklef

Non-Donor Members
> These members get dibs on anything not claimed by the land donors.
> Admirals get first choice.
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0	* Ananda Sandgrain
0	* Apotheus Silverman
0	* Kanker Greenacre
0	* LePoseur Skidoo
0	* Realtime Rogers
0	* Satai Diaz
0	Accent Godel
0	Al Bravo
0	Aleksandr Martov
0	Apsinthion Protagonist
0	Ardith Mifflin
0	Bob Brightwillow
0	Chaice Pendragon
0	Chris Hamilton
0	Cloey Sunchaser
0	Cormac Abattoir
0	Cornelius Bach
0	Derek Jones
0	Doeko Cassidy
0	dogcow Mysterio
0	Eddie Escher
0	GreenThumb Gardner
0	Hiro Yamamoto
0	Jericho Powers
0	Kotori Yossarian
0	Lightwave Valkyrie
0	Lord Palmerstone
0	Malcontent Bukowski
0	Millie Thompson
0	Milo Bukowski
0	Mystik Sunshine
0	Nick Fairlight
0	Nylisk Herbst
0	Ope Rand
0	Pablo Lorentz
0	Phaedrus Kuroda
0	Pheonix Fairlight
0	Radium Lumin
0	Reitsuki Kojima
0	Sphereon Nomad
0	Stretch Stephanopolis
0	Surina Skallagrimson
0	Taigh Murray
0	TiggerMan Livingston
0	Wolf Lumin
0	Zac Bunderfeld
0	Zate Kojima

As a reminder, this poll will close automatically in 30 days. All current land donors have been contacted with the URL to this thread, so I don't think it will take that long to get votes from those who are still active in SL. Sorry, donating land at this time won't get you into the donors list.

This post will keep track of poll results for those who have a stake.

Y/N/A	Land Donor
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[Y]	* Bino Arbuckle
[Y]	* Goodwill Epoch
[Y]	* Huns Valen
[Y]	Athos Murphy
[Y]	Hawk Statosky
[ ]	Judge Leviathan
[ ]	Nergal Fallingbridge
[ ]	Nikolai Weber
[ ]	Starwaster Peregrine
[Y]	Unhygienix Gullwing
[Y]	Xylor Baysklef

Looks like we have a simple majority with every respondant so far voting yes.

Huns, I have just taken over a major project in Bonnydoon, and it raises me to the full-sim tier, even though I am only using just under 60,000m of that. There are a few absentee landowners and some lindend land that prevent me from actually owning the entire sim.

I would be happy to donate extra tier for the time being, but cannot say how long that I will be at this tier level. Once my project is put together, it will be a community neighborhood, and the members will be allowed to decide for themselves whether they prefer to donate their own tier or pay me a discounted tier rate. If the entire neighborhood votes to pay me tier fees directly, even if I charge them a discounted rate I may find myself operating slightly in the black, and able to indefinitely support the Kazenojin with my leftover meters.

For what this information is worth.


I'm glad, very glad, that the tower won't be going away. I bought land in Gray and put it back into group the last time this came up specifically to assist in preserving that monument, as it's one of my fondest builds in all of secondlife. I hope this all works out, and that there are some other members of the Kazenojin who feel similiarly.

Also, traffic in Gray may pick up a bit, now that Cubey's blimp tours have us on their route.

I'll watch the results of this poll with interest.

Considering I haven't been active in quite some time I can't claim I will have much sway, but I would like to keep as much of Kazenojin and the structures up as possible. I personally know that my full alotment of 4096 and that donated by Judge Leviathan are pretty much permament donations to Kazenojin.

I've subdivided a parcel for the main tower structure on the mountain. That leaves the runway area and parcels for structures built by myself and Xylor on the south and west sides of the property. I think our "permanent" donations will be enough to keep the tower area and possibly some of the runway stuff.

We definitely appreciate people who can come in and donate land allocation, but the problem is that these donations tend to reduce or vanish over time. I'm taking this step because I want to move Kazenojin to a sustainable model where we don't have to worry about fluctuations in the amount of land donated. That means that we have to:

1. Figure out how much we can preserve given the "permanent" donations and whatever other allocation we're likely to be able to keep on a permanent basis, and
2. Subdivide that amount of land radiating out from the center of Kazenojin Mountain, forming a permanent preserve for the Kazenojin project.
3. Whatever land allocation we have left over can be used to hold the remaining land. Anything beyond that is offered first to land donors, then to non-donor admirals (in recognition for their contributions - many have donated significant land in the past), then to non-donor members, then finally sold off to any comer.

I think that if we do this, we'll be able to maintain a good chunk of the Kazenojin project indefinitely.

Looking at the number of objects supported by the mountain parcel, I think we will need to return a bunch of stuff that's hanging in the air above the Eiffel structure, and probably the power generator too. That might leave enough prims to let Kazenojin members use the top surface of the structure to sell vehicles.

I'll be coming in more often to assist with this since some of my objects are being returned to me.

Huns, thank you for taking the initiative here. I haven't been on forums in a while, but was hoping to post something to go along with my proposal of yesterday.

I can't say I didn't propose it out of selfishness, as I have been reevaluating my land allocations. But I won't say the group hasn't been quite stagnant either.

I'd be interested in keeping some allocation with the group, but lowering what I've allocated. At the moment I'll stay at the level I am at, but ideally I'd like to halve it.

Looking forward to further developments.

Not by anything I did, I hope! I have occasionally seen things get returned when land is reparcelled, but I didn't notice anything big.

I'm in favor of the general tenor of Hun's plan. Unfortunately, since the Kaz area was set up just about when "group tags" were created by LL, we didn't enforce a "tag and make group editable" rule for the land.

Nowadays, all sorts of parasitic stuff shows up there ... using up many prims. I go around and get admirals or Lindens to remove plywood cubes and smoking rockets all the time.

So I guess I'm voting "yes".

[I expect to run the Dogfights every month or two; I've been making a few more aircraft ... ]

I'm also considering chasing people down to get them to set their stuff to the group, then turning on autoreturn. It is the only way to cut down on that crap.

I've been getting a few items returned from the tower structure. I'm surprised that still seems to be a favorite, but I guess the things I cherish the most are the ones I didn't or couldn't have made myself. How are we dealing with some of the items that are likely irreplaceable? Like Kanker's radar tower, or Nergal's poem statue? Or the contributions to the solar system at the top of the elevator tether?

I'll be happy to come by and fix up the main structure if it needs it. Actually it might be kind of fun to make it look even more decrepit.

I would hug you for this.

[Y'know, entirely platonically and all.]

Ope Rand's land has become a sandbox for some folks and the clutter of vehicles is starting to build up. Until recently there was a large spaceship way up at 3000m but I noticed Monday morning that it had finally been removed. (Assumedly by a Linden)

Alright, we've got a simple majority of Aye votes, with zero Nay or Abstain votes. Now it's time to move to Phase II. Post what you're donating today and what you're willing to guarantee.

Today	Core	Confirmed?	Name
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4096	4096	[ ]		Goodwill Epoch
4096	4096	[ ]		Judge Leviathan
4096	4096	[ ]		Starwaster Peregrine
2126	1024	[Y]		Huns Valen
2048	1024	[Y]		Bino Arbuckle
7092	6500	[Y]		Athos Murphy
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23554	20836

Today: What you have donated as of today.
 Core: What you guarantee you won't withdraw for the forseeable future.

OK, I've delivered a notecard with the latest bulletin to everyone who was a Kazenojin member (as of two days ago, anyway.) The notecard points to this thread, so hopefully the whole group gets up to speed.

Currently at 2048, my core will be 1024.

I've got 7092 donated; I'd like to keep it down at about 6500 in the future. Gotta railway to feed!

Current: 4096
Core: 3840 (In case I can have my own little place when and if I can get the time)

But for the forseeable future I will continue to donate 4096.
as for Judge Leviathan, I cannot speak for him, but I know that he has no plans to remove his contribution of land.