How to get my creation approved by LL?
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Rolly Heron
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Join date: 25 May 2008
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05-25-2008 01:32
Dears, do you know how to get my creation approved by LL? I have a creation which is really safe for everyone. But no one dares to use it when they see the debit request. I hope there's a way LL can support on it. Your any comment or suggestion would be highly appreciated !
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Ordinal Malaprop
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05-25-2008 01:35
There is no such procedure. If nobody wants to grant debit permission to whatever it is you are making then you will have to find some way to persuade them it is safe, or do things some other way.
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Alyx Sands
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05-25-2008 11:51
What kind of creation needs a debit permission anyway apart from a customizable vendor? Am I too innocent here?
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-25-2008 12:32
I see a debit request and not know what I'm getting before hand I'll deny it every time.......even if LL approves it. You've got an uphill climb if you need LL to tell people it's "safe"........maybe you should put a guarantee on it.........like an ironclad money back or something.  Oh, and LL does not get envolved in resident to resident transactions............so you're probably up the perverbial creek on this one.
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Kahiro Watanabe
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05-26-2008 07:06
From: Alyx Sands What kind of creation needs a debit permission anyway apart from a customizable vendor? Am I too innocent here? Some examples: * Tip jar with profit split * Rent box * Maybe a casino machine
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Alyx Sands
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05-26-2008 11:57
From: Kahiro Watanabe Some examples:
* Tip jar with profit split * Rent box * Maybe a casino machine I thought of rent boxes, too, but that could still be exploited, right?
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Keira Wells
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Join date: 16 Mar 2008
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05-26-2008 12:32
From: Alyx Sands I thought of rent boxes, too, but that could still be exploited, right? Anything that requests debit permission can be, and will be, exploited. Period. Maybe your creator is kind enough not to, but someone else will, and someone will fall for it and get pissed off about it. A money tree is exploitable, even, and that's one of the more generous and kind-hearted things you can get, in my opinion.
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Johan Durant
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05-27-2008 02:37
I concur with Alyx's question. To put it in even more plain terms, what did you make?
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Learjeff Innis
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05-27-2008 11:01
Most objects that request payment request it only from the owner. The owner hopefully diligently ensured that the maker of the object has a reputation to protect and is unlikely to be distributing malware. I can't imagine a situation where I'd accept debit permissions on an object I don't own. If I don't own it, it easily be an imitation of something legit, but once we give permissions, we can't rescind them. If I own the object, at least I can delete it if it's not quite working correctly. If it looks like malware, then I'll be contacting the maker and the person I bought it from. (Beware sellers of objects that disappear when you grant permission ...  ) A rental script might ask permission from its owner (i.e., in order to do 3rd-party payouts), just like a tipjar. However, as someone renting, I would never accept. I'd want a box where I right-click and pay (as patrons do for tipjars). That's the typical way. If you have an object that expects non-owners to accept debit permission, redesign it so it doesn't or you won't have a chance.
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Learjeff Innis
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05-27-2008 11:01
From: Keira Wells Anything that requests debit permission can be, and will be, exploited. Period. This is an overstatement.
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Vlad Bjornson
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05-27-2008 11:05
An object can only request Debit Permission from its owner.
"integer PERMISSION_DEBIT
This permission is used with the llRequestPermissions function and can only be requested of the object owner. When the function is called, a dialog will pop up asking the owner if they wish for this object to be able to give away money. If the permission is granted then the script will be able to give away the owner's money via the llGiveMoney function."
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Keira Wells
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05-27-2008 11:06
From: Learjeff Innis This is an overstatement. No, it isn't. I'm not saying everyone will exploit it, I'm saying if something comes along and people trust it, someone will come along and decide that that trust can be used to exploit the product for greater personal gain. I'm sorry to say it, but SL has a lot of immoral (In my opinion) people, and too many want only to make money. The bad version will usually be smaller scale, not as well known (Until the word gets out that it's bad), etc, but it will still be there at some point. ETA:: Though this isn't a debt permission case, I know of a few cases of the RFL donation kiosks being exploited. Essentially, people making their own, and shoving that label on it, and them getting the proceeds, rather than Relay For Life. In a world where this happens, and not too much hullabaloo is made, I'm able to say that I do not trust anything that requests debit permission, unless I personally view the code, and understand it.
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Lear Cale
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05-28-2008 08:17
Good clarification, Vlad. From: someone Anything that requests debit permission can be, and will be, exploited. Period. Keira, there are lots and lots of scripts in SL that are used every day that request permissions and do not exploit, and never will. Feel free to never accept debit permission, but you'll have great difficulty running a number of legitimate SL businesses. For example, forget about tipjars that split tips between worker and venue. You should not accept debit permissions from an object unless you have good reason to trust the source of that object.
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Keira Wells
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05-28-2008 09:57
From: Lear Cale Good clarification, Vlad.
Keira, there are lots and lots of scripts in SL that are used every day that request permissions and do not exploit, and never will. Feel free to never accept debit permission, but you'll have great difficulty running a number of legitimate SL businesses. For example, forget about tipjars that split tips between worker and venue.
You should not accept debit permissions from an object unless you have good reason to trust the source of that object. I'm safe from every having to hit 'accept debit permissions' on anything I don't make. I don't need a tipjar, and if I did I wouldn't be splitting it with anyone, and I don't use vendors (Personal qualms, it's a bit silly really) The only thing I did ever accept is a money tree, because I know that particular brand to be safe. I'm going to repeat, not every script is an exploited version, and you might not ever see the exploited version, but every use for debit permissions is going to be exploited at some point. Tip jars have been exploited. Vendors have been. Donation kiosks, money trees (Seen it), rent boxes... let's see..what other uses are there? I'm not saying every script is an exploit, or that every script will be exploited, I'm saying every kind of use for it has or will be. It's that simple. And I do have the luxury of not having to grant debit permissions, so I'm going to keep on doing that.
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