Nekkid!

And not in a good way!

I didn't know where this ought to go - hopefully this is the right spot. I'm building some free shoes. So they fit I need people to have a specific foot size as I don't want them moddable, so I save the body shape with the attachments. The only problem is that when you then drop that folder onto yourself it overrides all your other clothing and so forth, and you end up nekkid - apart from the shoes.

Whilst this is a fun feature it's not really what I was after, so is there any fix?

I have a bought pair of shoes that do the same thing, so I guess it's commonly known, but is there a way round it? In don't really want to give out Special Birthday Suit Shoes. Thanks in advance!

(EDIT: Oops, this probably would have been better in design/textures in hindsight, sorry)

I'm laughing about the naked part. Most people are used to the "dropping a folder on you strips you naked" function, so I think people will understand that they have to put the items on seperately or redress.

My question is why make the shoes no mod? My experience is that people will only change their shape to wear full body morphing avatars, not for a pair of shoes. You might be able to put the foot slider numbers on a notecard and allow people to change their shapes to accomodate the shoes.

A better option may be to make the shoes modable, but no transfer.

Good luck.

A folder takes off everything you have on before putting on whatever you have in the folder, like Surreal said..

And I echo what she said about no mod.. People want modable shoes to change to their feet..

If its about selling multiple colors, I'd charge a little more, and make them mod..

Heheh, okeydoke The shoes are scripted and there's nooooo way the script can be mod - is that going to be possible if the shoes are mod? I didn't make the script and the builder really doesn't want it moddable.

The reason I want the 'ready-made package' so people don't have to mess around is because they're for an event. Pick 'em up, put 'em on, and away you go.

I'd never bought shoes before this week so I wasn't aware of the instant nudity feature - but I suppose if everyone else is cleverer than me it's not a problem. I can always add a disclaimer, or a settings notecard and no body shape like you suggested Surreal, but again that's adding a bit more faff to the 'user experience' or whatever you'd call it.

If I can make the shoes mod but not the scripts, that would do, but again, faff. Hmm... this is looking like it might be awkward from any angle

Yup, just make the script no mod, and the object mod..

You can add a plain t-shirt and trousers to the item your selling just incase..

Hee

Actually the boy suggested providing a whole av with the shoes... I suppose that's not too different. I just have these (slightly hillarious but inappropriate) images of everyone turning up, putting their shoes on, and being nekkid.

Helluva party though.

If anyone else has any ideas round this, I'd love to hear them. It's not something I've come across before so I'm interested to know how people deal. I can see good and bad in every suggestion - for example, I'd be pretty pissed if I put a pair of shoes on and ended up in a skanky pair of pants too

Also, if I save the body shape, is it saving my entire body shape? Is everyone who puts my shoes on going to turn into a naked woman?

... you know, this is beginning to sound like I shouldn't be complaining...

Hehe..

Well.. Most people know if they buy shoes in a folder to drag the item themselves not the folder..

Including an avatar would lead to some very alarmed people of changing shape etc.. What would be the point in it?

If its happening to a lot of people and they complain I'd put some plain black clothes in there....

We've not used it yet. It's for my gallery's opening night, so I'd kinda like to get it fixed before then. I'll happily add instructions to put the contents on piece at a time, because *I* didn't know that.

But will they all turn into women?

Clothes and attachments go when you drop a folder on yourself. Hair, eyes, shape, and skin stay the same unless you have hair, eyes, shape, or skin in the folder

Having the script no-mod won't make the shoes no-mod. They'll say they're no mod and you won't be able to rename them in your inventory, but if you rez/attach them you'll be able to mod them.

OK, I'm a noob...3 days, but I've already heard tell that many shoes are simply designed for the smallest foot size. If I picked up a free pair of shoes, I'd probably be a bit more upset should I find myself nekkid, then to find I couldn't see all of them because my feet were too big. So, I would think rather than including them in an outfit or shape, I'd just make a notecard stating one must have the smallest foot size, or even better, put that in the title or definition under properties. Afterall, if I ended up nakkid, I'd just take an outfit folder and drag that over myself, and then it would be back to square one, with different shoes, and I'd need to open your folder, drag the shoes only, and I'd be putting them on a possibly biggerfooted shape anyway.

They're seperate issues..

Having the shoes no mod doesn't make any difference to whether you drag the folder on or not..

Its selling the contents of a box that puts the shoes in a folder. If people drag a folder on to themselves, it detatchs all other clothes, and just puts on whats in the folder.

If you inclose a shape/avatar with the shoes and they drag on the folder, they will become whatever the shape/avatar is.. And there would no point in it, they'd just be naked and a different shape.

You could sell a copy of the box, instead of contents, so they'll get the box in their objects folder and they can take it out of the box and put it in their inventory themselves to drag on.

Or you can inclose instructions, or warn people, or inclose blank clothing..

Most people learn after a few times of buying clothes in folders that you have to drag on the item, not the folder.. Is it mainly new people at your event?

A lot of people put "free pants and t shirt" in folders. This keeps people from feeling the breeze, AND advertises their shop. It's a win-win.

Actually, I wasn't thinking right. I'm probably gonna use my 'give' script so I have one box that gives the clicker one shoe then the other - and, by the sounds of it, a notecard mentioning small feet. That should bypass the folder problem I'm thinking. Since I don't want the event filled with me replicas (naked or otherwise) the body shape idea's out the window - somehow had it in my mind that you could just save body *parts*.

Since it appears not everyone in SL is as stoopid as me, I think that ought to cover it

Can you not just make the shoes in different sizes. Small Medium and large?

Let people try them on and take the size that fits them.

Hmm... would complicate the 'give' thing.. either having a seperate box for each size, or one that gives people 6 shoes (I am in no mood to work out how to give people a choice through script!) - that and the problem I find with prim shoes (though someone may have solved it) is that if you make em big enough to fit anything but the smallest feet, they end up MASSIVE.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

Size them for the smallest feet and let people edit them larger.

[and let's skip the 'I shouldn't have to sell modifiable objects' discussion]

I wasn't planning to start one. I'm giving things away and I want people to be happy with them. The only resason I brought it up earlier was because my boyfriend wrote their scripts and doesn't want *those* mod, and I wasn't sure if the two would sit together.

There, looks like I started one now But really - I don't have a problem with 'having' to give them mod. I'd rather they worked for people.

you can sell the shoes as modifiable and the scripts inside as no mod/copy.
That way they can do whatever they want with the shoes, resize etc, but can't see the code in the scripts nor copy the scripts.
The only thing they could do would be take the scripts out of the shoes and put them elsewhere, but they still won't be able to edit/copy it, so in the end they would just brake the shoe X3

Ah, yeh, I ran into that myself. It's confusing... no-mod scripts in an object don't make the object no-mod, though no-copy and no-trans scripts make the object no-mod and no-trans, AND the object is liested as no-mod even though it isn't.

I dont know why people makes their clothing, skins and objects no mod. After I buy something it becomes my property and to be done with as my will permits. Can understand the no copy and almost the no transfer but the other is forcing me to be like you. Would rather walk around naked!

I refuse to change skins to wear your shoes! Also, I dont want any strange scripts in my clothing.

Well, for skins and clothing (and all body parts) I agree with you. There's no point in making them not modable. The best set of perms for them is mod/copy/no-transfer.

For objects though, there is (unfortunately) a very good reason to make them no-mod. It's called the dupe script. If an object is modable, anyone can drop a script in it to produce an exact copy, complete with textures. This new copy will read as created by the owner, not by the original creator, and the owner will have full permissions on it. I've had items stolen and mass produced in this way, and I'll never do it again. I'm sorry that SOME people won't buy an object they can't modify, but frankly, losing their business is nothing compared to what I've lost to piracy. For example, one product in particular had been generating several thousand L$ a week, dropped to nothing overnight when a certain theif made herself a copy, and then gave full perm copies to everyone who came to her club. I won't ever take that risk again.

As for the "forcing me to be like you" thing, nothing could be further from the truth. First, if you REALLY want to be different, make your own. Second, just because an attachment is no-mod doesn't mean you can't still mix and match it with different outfits. When you buy a pair of shoes in RL, you don't feel like you're being forced to be like someone else, do you? Thousands of other people own the same shoes, but you'd be hard pressed to notice when you run into someone wearing the same pair. It's not the individual element that gets noticed; it's the package as a whole. Everyone has the same choices at the store, but almost no two people ever dress alike. It's all about the combinations.

In regard to having to "change skins to wear your shoes", I'm assuming you're referring to changing shapes, not skins, as that's often required for prim shoes. Well, the answer is being able to modify the shoes won't solve that problem, unless you want to turn them into huge Ronald McDonald clown shoes. Prim shoes usually rely on what amounts to replacing the foot, not fitting around it. That's just one of SL's little quirks. It's the only way many shoes are able to look realistic, and there's nothing we can do about it. Mod rights, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with that.

Well, it is sad that people find ways to steal from others.

Why dont I make all of my own things? Well time, do not have the time to do this. I have an important full time job and a household to take care of. Suppose can make my own shoes. Do not want to change shape to wear another persons shoes. I refuse to do this, like getting your feet operated on to wear some stuck ups shoes!

See a lot of the "creative" residents as "stuckups" in sl. A lot of them are now crying over losing their "prime" land near the former telehubs. They say we have to corform to their standards. In SL you can change things very easily unlike rl. Making things no mod actually lowers their value and reduces creativity. Understand your point about scripts but this is punishing everone for the actions of a few. Suppose should refuse to buy no mod, no transfer iteams. If enough residents do this it will stop the pratice as your goods would be worthless.

As for wearing the same shoes as everone else, ah what is your point? Everone in my company wears the same clothing at work. One type for men another for women. My firm dictates a dress code but SL is not work.

Well, if you like, you can try on a pair of my shoes and not bother resizing your feet, because I'd hate for you to feel you had to 'operate' on yourself. Of course, this will mean that bits of your feet will stick out of them at all angles, but don't worry, I made them mod, so you can enlarge them to your heart's content until all your foot is covered. Then you really won't have to worry that you're being forced to fit an identical mould, because you'll be the only person in SL with a massivley and comically oversized pair of those shoes.

I don't have the time to make all the things I'd like to. Ideally, I'd be fully dressed and accessoriesed by myself, because I'd be proud of that and love the individuality. However, I just have far too much to do to develop my clothes building skills to the required level, so I buy from others who are already there. So if I don't like the way they do things, that's my problem, not theirs - if I can't or won't do it differently myself, I have no right to expect other people to fit into my expectations, or consider them 'stuck-up' or any other thing because they make things in a way I disagree with.

From my limitied playing in this area I know Chosen is absolutely right in saying that prim shoes that fit 'unaltered' feet end up being ENORMOUS. I think insulting shoe designers because they make shoes to a realistic scale which requires changes on your part to wear them is unnecessary and unkind, and not particularly mature. As I said, if you don't like it, do it yourself. If you can't do it yourself, don't blame those who can and do.

Anyway, sorry about what turned into rather a long rant, but I just want to say thanks again to everyone who shared their advice and helped me on this matter. You're all frickin' stars

This is a bad thing?

Just kidding; what everyone else said. Happy Cobbling.