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First Land House

Mine Sapeur
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Join date: 27 Mar 2005
Posts: 5
05-24-2005 11:59
I'm working on making houses that fit on 512 land.

Here's a Spanish sand and tile house made with the textures in the library.

This house is 32 prims, priced at $50, you can get it at Aztecha Temple in Columbia (in Find Places).

I put in two small rooms inside with windows, a porch, a balcony with a bench, and a bedroom upstairs with a loftbed and shelves.
Della Street
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Join date: 9 Aug 2004
Posts: 375
05-24-2005 12:17
Very nice. :)
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05-24-2005 13:59
Nice low prim build, Della, but I'm curious why you posted it here. The building forum is for discussing technique, asking questions, learning from eachother, etc. Its purpose is for things like "Here's my new build. What could I have done better or how do I solve this particular problem with it?" and not "This is my new build. It's for sale. Come buy it." If you want to advertise a product for sale, you'd do better to put it in the classfieds. If you simply want to show it off, that's what the gallery is for. Anyway, good luck with it. :)
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Mine Sapeur
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05-24-2005 14:18
It's my build, not Della's, and I thought this was the appropriate forum to
post builds to show them off and even say they are for sale. I didn't
realize something was wrong with that. A price of $50 seems symbolic
anyway for a newbie build, obviously this is no big sales campaign but
just a trial and error.

I did indeed have lots of questions but I thought I'd wait to see if anyone
had any comments first. I had trouble figuring out how joints worked,
whether they were necessary, how they were different than links.
Also, how to make windows. The cuts all seem to make diagonals on the end.

But I figured rather than asking a lot of questions I would practice some more.

This tone of "do this, do that, you're in the wrong," is one of the reasons I stopped coming to the forums. I had heard it had improved recently with less of a spirit of vindictiveness. Guess I was wrong.
Random Unsung
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Join date: 20 Nov 2004
Posts: 345
05-24-2005 15:05
Nice house, I'll buy it!

If the post doesn't belong in this section, maybe we could rely up the mods to move them to the appropriate section rather than slamming someone for their first efforts.

It's very hard to get along in these forums, hope you won't give up.
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05-24-2005 15:32
Mine, I'm not sure why my post made angry & defensive, as you now appear to be, but hopefully reading this will clear things up:

From: Mine Sapeur
It's my build, not Della's,

Sorry, typo.

From: Mine Sapeur
and I thought this was the appropriate forum to
post builds to show them off and even say they are for sale. I didn't
realize something was wrong with that.

There's nothing "wrong" with it, but I figured I'd let you know that you'd do better advertising items for sale in a forum that is read by people who are looking to buy things, and not necessarily by people who are looking to improve their own building skills. Just trying to help.

From: Mine Sapeur
A price of $50 seems symbolic anyway for a newbie build, obviously this is no big sales campaign but just a trial and error.

Charge whatever you want. I'm not gonna judge what's "symbolic" or what's not based on how much you feel your build is worth. I'm not sure I even understand what you mean by that. If you think it's worth $50, then charge $50. If you think it's worth $50,000, then charge $50,000. That's entirely up to you. I fail to see how price conveys any deeper meaning than that.

From: Mine Sapeur
I did indeed have lots of questions but I thought I'd wait to see if anyone had any comments first. I had trouble figuring out how joints worked, whether they were necessary, how they were different than links. Also, how to make windows. The cuts all seem to make diagonals on the end.

Happy to answer your questions:

1. Joints - For the most part they're broken. Don't use them. No, they are not necessary.

2. How are joints different from links - Joints are like hinges. Two objects connected by a joint behave like an elbow or a swing (at least in theory, but like I said they're broken). Links are entirely different. When two or more objects are linked, they behave as a single, solid object. For example, link 4 cylinders and a box together and you can make a stool. Drop the stool off a cliff, and it's still a stool. However, if the pieces are not linked together, and you drop them off a cliff you'll end up with 5 individual objects that have fallen where they may, and that have nothing to do with eachother.

3. Windows - There are several methods to put a window into a wall. The first is simply to cut a hole in it. The second is to use a texture that is opaque where the wall is and transparent where the window is. The third is to make the wall out of several different pieces, framing the window. In most cases, the second method is best.

3. Cuts - They don't have to end in diagonals, although they usually will, due to the fact that the origin of a cube is at a corner. There are only three ways to cut a cube into shapes made entirely of right angles. You can make an L, a half cube, or a quarter cube. Anything else will contain angles that are other than 90 degrees.

Once you inderstand the concept, the math is pretty simple. The way the interface is set up, when you "cut" an object, you are removing a percentage of the object (technically you're changing it's degree of revolve, but it's much easier to think of it as removing a percentage). Since you can't change the center, the only percentage of a cube that is still a cube is 25%. When you remove 25% of a cube, you get an L. When you keep 25% of a cube, you get a quater cube (still a cube, just smaller).

To cut a cube into an L with all right angles, cut it to begin at 0.125 and to end at 0.875. What you're doing here is removing 12.5% from each end so that the resulting gap adds up to 25% of the cube.

Oppositely, to cut a cube into a smaller quarter cube, you have to make sure the piece that is not cut away equals 25%, obviously meaning you need to remove a total of 75%. Your cut then must still start at 0.125 and end at 0.375, or start at 0.375 and end at 0.625, or start at 0.625 and end at 0.875. Each way the resulting gap adds up to 75%.

To make a half cube (an elongated rectangluar shape), your cut needs to go from 0.125 to 0.625, or from 0.375 to 0.875, so that the resulting gap adds up to 50%.


From: Mine Sapeur
But I figured rather than asking a lot of questions I would practice some more.

Hey, wanting to learn on your own is admirable, but if you have questions, never be afraid to come here & fire away. We're all here to help eachother.

From: Mine Sapeur
This tone of "do this, do that, you're in the wrong," is one of the reasons I stopped coming to the forums. I had heard it had improved recently with less of a spirit of vindictiveness. Guess I was wrong.

Whoa, whoa, whao, calm down for a second, will ya? Who's being vindictive? I was trying to help you. I'm still trying to help you. The puprpose of my last response was threefold:

1. I thought you were trying to sell the house, which I don't think was an unreasonable assumption since you advertized a price and a location where to buy it. With that appearing to be the case, I tried to steer you towards the best place to do that where you'd have the most success. As I said, the classifieds are read by people who want to buy things. The building forum is read by people who want to improve their building skills or to help others do so.

2. The description of this forum clearly defines what it is for, but since you seemed to have missed the sign on the way in, I thought I'd be freindly by alerting you to what it says. That in no way means I was somehow trying to control you or belittle you. It's just important that we all adhere to forum policy and post appropriate topics in appropriate forums. Otherwise, there'd be no purpose behind having categories at all, and we'd just hav one big master forum in which no one would ever be able to find what they're looking for.

3. I asked you why you posted here, since the purpose of doing so is to ask questions but you didn't appear to have any questions. That seemed odd was all. Now, as I suspected, it turns out you do indeed have a lot of questions, and by finally asking them you have turned this thread into one that is now appropriate for this forum. And since your questions have now been answered, you have been helped, as have countless other readers who my have the same questions but haven't posted them. As I said, the purpose of this forum is for us all to learn.


In summary, I think you should grow a little bit of a thicker skin here, Mine, and not be so quick on the defensive. Sure, it's true that there are a few bad apples who haunt the forums with the goal of making people mad, but I can assure you I'm not one of them. As such, I would appreciate the benefit of the doubt and ask you to please read twice before you decide it's time to raise your shields & begin returning fire. Make good & sure you're actually under fire to begin with first.

For the record, I never once said you were "in the wrong", and I never attacked you. My only purpose was to try to help you navigate the forums as successfully as possible, and to answer any questions you might have. All of this was done in a spirit of community and firendliness. Just why you felt the need to blow up over it is beyond me. Hopefully now after this lengthy explanation you'll calm down a bit and understand that you were never under attack.
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