I'll host the freaking wiki

Look, its kinda nonsense that the scripting wiki is down again.

http://www.lslwiki.com

I have my own hosting setup for my startup company. I have over 2 terabytes of transfer and more than enough storage to throw a stick at.

It will not be going down *anytime* soon, I guarantee.

Someone send me a copy of the wiki database backup and I'll have a new permanent wiki setup by tomorrow night.

[email]geuis.teses@gmail.com[/email]

-Geuis

LOL its like second life breaks things so ppl will take over running it....
-LW

Um, people, just use the mirror ?

-peekay

Why hasn't LL resumed hosting it? It's THEIR wiki for THEIR game =/

I seem to recall the Linden's hosted wiki was the path used by intruders to get into the databases last September...when we all had to change our passwords.

...still, you'd think outsourcing the wiki, (the way the viewer downloads are outsourced) would not be that big a deal.

Peekay, "WARNING: Please do not make any major edits to the wiki. I am doing a brand new import from http://lslWiki.com on a new database"

Its likely not completely up to date.

Yeah, Linden Labs should be hosting their own wiki. However, they aren't. I'm a scripter. I need to be able to pull up the wiki anytime I need it for reference. So, if they aren't going to do it properly, and if the current one is going to periodically go down because someone didn't pay their hosting bill or their bandwidth quota was filled up, then it needs to be hosted somewhere.

Like I said, I've got enough bandwidth and storage that it'll be guaranteed to *never* go down, at any time.

This is a generous offer. Shuldn't there be some way to make it *directly* to the people who currently manage the LSL Wiki, rather than posting the offer here?

I also use the LSL Wiki a bit, and it is very useful, no doubt. however, I am a little dissapointed that it does not seem to grow and evolve very much. I confess that I have not added much, but that is partly because I don't feel competent to do so. Perhaps I will start makeing changes, and let the experts clean up my little mistakes

Lee, great idea. I will gladly setup a free hosting account and let Catherine continue to manage the wiki just continue to do so on my servers instead of the one they keep having problems with.

What is Catherine Omega's email address? I'm at work at the moment and can't get in. Would like to contact her about the hosting offer.

edit:
nevermind, I installed SL at work to login and IM. Man, an IM gateway would be nice...

Heh as I was clicking to read this thread the forums went down too.

I think Jesse was showing off an IM client from LibSL a week or so back.

Delta Czukor created a program called SLeek. It's backbone is libsl. You can log in, see if people are online and have multiple IM tabs. A very small footprint at only a 100 kb and since no graphics, you can run it from any computer. You can download the binary.exe file or the cource files and compile it yourself. Available at:

http://delta.slinked.net/programming/sleek/

But I am holding my breath in anticipation at a Chirstmas/New Year's present coming from libsl in the next few days. Have no idea what it is going to be but excitement has been building.

yo thanks for the link. I was on libsl's website the other day trying to find the download for the windows client to try it out, but there site isn't very well organized and I couldn't find it.

The wiki has also been subject to DoS attacks (which would've easily brought down even your network Geuis) so I think that's primarily why Linden & others are hesitant to host it.

What we really need are more mirrors, synced periodically. The wiki's content is fairly stable anyway since LSL is fairly stable.

-peekay

It would have to be a very, very large ddos to bring down my hosting provider. They've weathered a few that would have surprised you.

heh maybe its the invisable alpha skin for copybot they were talking about on their forums
ppl cant get upset if they dont see anything right?
LOL
-LW

They needn't affect your hosting provider at all. They just need to exhaust your 2TB transfer limit, and today even a "low-intensity" DDoS can easily consume 2TB in less than a day. You wont notice anything wrong until the website shuts down due to overlimit (if you're lucky), or you get a massive bandwidth bill at the end of the month (if you're unlucky.)

The 2004 lslWiki attack consumed just 50 MB/s, while these days DDoS gets measured in GB/s. The answer is not increasing bandwidth allocation, but to have multiple wiki mirrors so we really don't care if one is offline for any reason (maintenance, bugs, exploits, unpaid bills, whatever.)

So while your offer is generous, moving the wiki to your site still means a single point of failure. Why not create a mirror instead?

-peekay

Are you an alt Peekay? Just asking because the main wiki has been plagued with troubles for the last few months. We already have a mirror and have had no problems logging into it. But we don't want the mirror, we want consistent access to the latest comments in the main wiki site. LL turned over ownership to the present owner and non of us have any say in the matter and we get no response from the owner. Months of "Exceeded bandwidth" and numerous offers to host the wiki and we are ignored. Frankly this is a ludicrous situation. Control of the wiki needs to go back to LL, they don't have to host it.

I too am also disgusted with the present arrangement.

I am the owner and origionator of the rpgstats.com mirror of the lslWiki. And multiple mirrors of a Wiki are NOT an easy thing to handle unless the mirror does not allow editing by the general populous.

As for the current Mirror... yes I am well aware that it is out of date in many respects. I have been working on another import of the data and trying to keep it current with the "Recent Changes" on the lslWiki.com site. The fact that this process is done almost entirely by hand, and by one person (me) does mean that yes the comments are going to get dropped. My reasoning was that any important information from the comments should have been added to the main entry for the page they were on.

I'd be more than happy to have a copy of the current wiki database, but I'm not going to ask Catherine for it. Because it is hers and always has been hers, regardless of the fact that Linden Labs hosted it on their servers for a period of time.

The LSL Wiki is hardly ever updated, because LSL itself hardly undergoes changes. A couple of read-only mirrors -- even updated just once or twice a month -- is more than sufficient.

Thanks Thraxis for your mirror, it's great and I've been using it without any problems and I've never had trouble finding LSL info I need.

Unlike some other people here, apparently.

-peekay

Thraxis, why dont we try to get to together with Catherine and see if there's a good solution between the three of us to solve the mirror issue. There are all kinds of ways to do automated nightly or weeking syncs. Indeed, we could have all 3 of our websites be mirrors of the wiki. Catherine already answered me earlier and said that she will be moving to dedicated hosting next week.

I'd also be happy to host a mirror of the wiki.

The more mirrors the better, IMHO.

Now that is the exact problem. The wiki is not Catherine's and has never been. A wiki, any wiki is for everyone. It is OURS. We are the scripters and we need consistent access to the wiki. Is everyone saying that it is impossible to have the wiki on a site that will provide uninterrrupted access?
Do such sites exist? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or at least more reliable.
LL has out-sourced the downloads and it is working much better now. Can't see a reason the scripting wiki can't go the same route. THis is crazy that after MONTHS we still have to go to rpgstats instead of the wiki.

my mirror, which is on a few websites is sudo striped down, it takes up about 5mb of space, altho i dont have nearly as much traffic as the offical wiki, its still a drop in the ocean

it was when i was using a 25gb / month server, and it barley registers on my new 1tb / month virtual dedicated (oxymoron i know) server, the most server down times isnt about bandwidth, its about cpu cycles .. and the current host is not up to par at all times

course this makes me wonder since i also host 10 giuld sites for my online friends, on which each one gets thousands of random data transfers a day, i started doing this on a free host years ago and ive never hit the cpu error...

so whats up with this host that it cannot handle, for the mostpart, static info being called out of a database ...

course this also makes me wonder why a company like linden labs forces users to develop their own documentation with no support from the company that benifits it the most

i do not advocate a takeover of the wiki, but if we are the ones biulding it, maby we need to make a board, this way we can keep up with and make all the changes, without sharing user sensitive database info