Security Scripts that dont use ||PushObject

A friend, new to SL, who has experienced several rude inturders coming into her home, asked me for recommendations on home security systems.

Remembering this post I thought I would ask if anyone can recommend some, there is no way for most people to know what kind of script is being used in something like this.

Security scripts are a controversial topic - primarily because they're often abused.

Personally, I use a manually-added list, with a combination of llEjectAvatar, llAddToLandBanList, and llTeleportAgentHome. If its specific folks that are harassing your friend, this is about as effective as you can get and still be within the boundaries of the TOS.

I would strongly advise against any sort of passive-security script (Ones that eject/send home anyone who passes by). Those are excessive and unneccesary. If all you want to do is keep all outsiders out, throw up your red bars. If you can't because of height restrictions - there are acceptable scriptable solutions, but much more complicated.

The absolute last thing you want to do is disrupt people simply trying to get to their destination, or are innocently exploring.

There is a script in the Scripting Library posted long ago by BigJohn Jade that isn't bad as a starting-point framework if you dont want to build one from scratch.

Good Luck!

Pretty much what Travis said. I make and sell such a system on SLEx and SLB for a small price.

I also know there are bigger and fancier ones, JR-Vanguard for example and one or two other ones that seem to work within the TOS but are automatic.

The quote is mis-attributed to me... but thats ok.

The issue is abuse, a system left unattended that kicks people is imho abuse, though the TOS isn't written that way. The point of contention is unattended security systems; to my knowledge none automatically disable themselves if the owner has gone out.

The closest i can think of for a RL corollary would be putting landmines in the front yard of your house. If your having a party or something, sure landmines good idea, keep the party crashers out, but when you go on vacation you should disarm them or the bomb squad will.

Its one of those neighborly things you can do that doesn't cost anything.

@ strife: Opps sorry about not getting the quote attribution corrrect. The quote that is part of your sig.

I empathize regarding the abuse issue, its really irritating to be innocently flying along in a vehicle, sight seeing but minding your own business, only to be bushwhacked by some security system in a place you just happened to be passing by and had no interst in visiting.

I have beena assaulted by security systems before when simply passing over land, which give me a 15 second warning to leave but I have no way of knowing what direction it is trying to protect. Is it directly ahead, to my left or right? Its can be very irritating. LOL

How can I tell if I hvae been hit by a llPushObject? I would like to start filling abuse reports on them

Nevertheless, many people have a desire for privacy, and until LL addresses the problem, there will be a market for security scripts. I'm just trying to determine what is the best and least abusive available at this time.

As long as you use it responsibly almost any security system will do. By responably i mean, turning it off when not in use and one that doesn't push users. The system that warns the user and gives them some time to exit, is by far the most intruder friendly; the creators name has slipped my mind (think it starts with a "P", it might by Psye).

It's funny, i changed my sig just the other day removing the quote box (it takes up alot of space). hmm the poem by ogden nash seems a bit out of place, it made more sense to me when i added it.

Psyke's Defense System by Psyke Phaeton.

I ran into a house guarded by Psyke's defense system.

It told me to leave the area within 10 seconds. It didn't tell me how big the area was, or what it was going to do, or anything. I don't normally have property lines turned on, and I was flying fairly low, it took me almost that long just to get untangled from the Linden trees and orient myself. Next thing I knew I was teleported home. Took me another 5 minutes to find where I'd gotten on my trip and get back there (yes, damn it, I like travelling, I fly across country for fun and it's MORE fun now I don't have to).

Come on, how about a timely, proportional, and staged response?

Thats right

I especially love it when I get hit by one of those retarded instant-hit security systems which force you to teleport back to home, and see, "Teleport Failed: Please try again later."

I always have to chuckle at that.

Psyke is a great guy, know him and his significant other, great scripter imo

Psyke's security script lets you set the "attack type":
It looks like a good product, although I don't own one because I'm thinking of just adding eject to my own detector. But reading the Wiki makes me think it might be possible to push with an approximately equal force to that of the approaching avatar, to make it more of a forcefield barrier than an offensive weapon. Anyone know if push can work that way?

You could do this, the math wouldn't be perfect, the distances would be great the pushes would be huge. If you wanted to make something cute and efficiant, you could have the system deploy a follower (non physical) that closes the distance and handles the pushing. This would keep the size of the push with in reason; reducing chances of ghosting. If you made the drone a sit target you could offer the user the option of tp'ing to the other side of the protected area.

Another method that would reduce the posability of bouncing travelers, using llDetectedVel to ignore people who are moving at a high enough speed.

That's an interesting way of thinking about the problem. All I really want to do is stop someone hovering outside long enough to swing the camera into our private room while we're there. Someone zooming though our airspace is clearly not going to be able to do that. In fact, I don't think peeking can be done effectively while moving at all. Maybe my security script should just act on avatars who stop?

Your security system could start with a nice "You have 15 sec" warning with the coordinate set of the secured property, and if they don't go, get the position of the intruder (with a specific z limit to avoid hitting passers by) and rez an 8 x 8 box around them that continues to track the location of their UUID (in case they teleport out of the box) until they are off the property, at which point it will die. (Ok odd sidenote here - but has any one seen the footage of the Elmo Potty Training book that used crappy compression on a sound file of Elmo saying "Do you want to try? (to use the potty) so that it comes out as "Do you want to die?" Really one of the best sound bytes in a while) You could even have a button in the box to "teleport" them off the land assuming a border is close enough or if a real teleport function ever becomes.

Just have to throw in a couple of thoughts here.

#1. My Locktite Premise Guardian Security Systems have nearly 2000 units installed to date. They can eject or they can TP people home. They have both warning versions and no warning versions. They do not use PUSH as that IS abuse and IS against the TOS.Furthermore, my Guardians are 'tuneable' as to direction, range etc so you can control exactly the area you need to protect.

#2. My Locktite Bouncer Systems have hundreds and hundreds installed. They allow you to add unwanted people to a list selectively.

#3. Both systems also allow you to appoint others to act in your name as far as adding and removing avatars. This feature is so that your significant other, your friends, your group members etc also have the power to control the land in your name.

#4. Both systems come with detailed documentation and are menu driven for ease of use.

#5. Both systems are capable of running on a network for larger areas (up to a full sim and as high as required).

#6. Both systems feature other state of the art controls for specific needs.

As to a system that automatically 'turns itself off' when you're not online..this is silly. Seldom does one live like a hermit. You live with others. You live in a group area. And, most likely, your club, office, shops etc....have many many people that are on line when you are not.

You can however turn the system off (in the case of the Guardian).

So yes, I have worked hard to deliver a security system that is within the TOS. I have worked hard to service my customers. And I worked long and hard with the Lindens to be sure what I do is acceptable.

Still, it is the responsibility of each owner to use the system correctly and in such a way as it does not interfere with legitimate avatar movement or 'fly over' space.

Until SL gives away land for free, and you have no monetary interest in where you live or work, or until 'griefers' are a thing of the past, or 'lookie-loos' get a life and go their own way, security systems are a necessity.

I invite you to take a look at LockTite. I think you will find an excellent security system that will fit your needs.

Locktite Security Systems - Enjoy your Privacy!!

Really, it should turn itself off when there are no allowed avatars within its range of action, regardless of whether the owner, the landowner, group officers, or any other responsible parties are online, offline, or in the cornfield. Because, after all, that's the only time you need the script operating... when there's someone on the property who needs the protection.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Security scripts deliberately restrict other people's freedom for the sake of the owner's privacy. The owner should make every attempt to make the restrictions on other people as small as possible, and only use them when privacy is needed.