Home Security...

Hello,

I am wanting to setup some basic home security and the included security is not working. I have a platform about 600 m up. I want to block all and allow group members or indivifuals I put on the list. the list will be short. I only want to block around the platform and do not care about the rest of the land. Any suggestions? What is the best way to go about doing this that does what I need with the least amount of headach for me and my neighbors.

thanks

You could make your own, but if you aren't adverse to spending a bit, something like Psyke's Home Security (look for it in world) will do the trick. Just use it sanely, to enforce a ban list above the usual limit - people who keep the security on ALL THE TIME, even when they aren't there, are a major annoyance and get anvils dropped on them, by me, when I meet the.

Nothing more annoying than security scripts.

For instance, I was flying along at 600M (a relatively safe height) to a parcel of land I own.. all of a sudden I was teleported home.. no warning, nada. So I though, ok, no problem.. I'll just go back and get my aircraft off their property. Nope.. I can't fly close enough to 'grab' it. People that do crap like this get an abuse report filed on them pronto for violation of the TOS. Needless to say, I was unable to recover my craft and had to wait until it was returned to me.

If you do feel you need some 'security', please make it sane and allow people the opportunity to at least make an effort to get out of the way before teleporting them home. Allow enough warning time based on your land size. 15 seconds is ok for a 1024M plot.. but anything bigger should be 30 seconds or more.

What violation of the TOS is what I have to ask. Did they eject you? Its allowed. Did they teleport youh ome? Its allowed. Did they give a warning? Its not required.

Nothing -to- abuse report by letter and law.

No, you're right, I don't think there's anything in the TOS about "being an arsehole".

Schuyler, what you describe is quite easy to do, but you'll find that there's an attitude here amongst many that such scripts are antisocial. I do have one L$1 security item that alerts people to the presence of other avs and can be set to eject them automatically - but it's blacklist only, rather than whitelist, it's intended to protect people against specific others who are griefing them. I'm never ever going to make a version that has a whitelist option and I've considered taking it down, removing the eject function completely or putting it on "only when owner online", even when it's just blacklisting.

(edit: of course, you know that, you bought one this morning and IMed me about it! *slaps own forehead*)

It would be better to consider what you actually want to achieve with this and see whether there's another way of doing it.

If a home security object pushes you away, then that is against TOS and should be reported. TP Home and Eject are just annoying, not against TOS. If you -must- have something, please do put a warning. And please, more than 10 seconds.

MM

I stand corrected.

I wasn't trying to a dick.. its just by the letter and law he did nothing wrong. Theres a thread somewhere about airspace proposal...a compromise.

Theres also featur eproposal 999 which would put ban line sup to max build height..providing notice of blocked property and eliminating the need for security scripts.

Putting the ban line to 768 meters (build height) without giving something back in exchange would have a huge impact on flight. With the latest update I was able to fly from Ahern to Calbeck - all the way across the continent - at under 100 meters without ever getting "stuck". If the red lines were raised that would simply not be possible, because there's too many people who just have "restrict to group" as a matter of course.

I've proposed allowing higher bans, but with a small weekly fee for each "basic volume" of 1024m2 by 40m protected... individual bans over the "default" volume would remain free. Anyone who owns land can afford L$10 a week to protect a skybox, but the skys would remain open.

Hi all -

I am fully aware of the idea that security scripts are not the best. This is why I closed my post with "What is the best way to go about doing this that does what I need with the least amount of headach for me and my neighbors. "

I am 600 meters up and there is nothing around that I can see. it is a 512 plot. The SIM is PG but me and my small group have found it to be rather "busy" This is why we put a platform 600 meters up.

The other day we were discussing some projects and so on when a few people just landed on top of us and started chatting. This has happend a few times and while I am not anti-social when I am at this location I am "busy". I dont want to send people home or cause them any major issue. A bubble around my 512 plot 600 meters up. I would love to extend the already available barrier that is provided with land ownership. This does not seem to extend up to the height I am working at. an invisable fence type thing...

I think I will burn the prims and build a box around my platform for now. This will do pretty much the same thing just cost me about 20 prims...

Thanks so much for the thoughts. Ordinal I do have your creation up and running incase we do have problems with certain people. Nice bit of work, thank you.

Hi all -

I am fully aware of the idea that security scripts are not the best. This is why I closed my post with "What is the best way to go about doing this that does what I need with the least amount of headach for me and my neighbors. "

I am 600 meters up and there is nothing around that I can see. it is a 512 plot. The SIM is PG but me and my small group have found it to be rather "busy" This is why we put a platform 600 meters up.

The other day we were discussing some projects and so on when a few people just landed on top of us and started chatting. This has happend a few times and while I am not anti-social when I am at this location I am "busy". I dont want to send people home or cause them any major issue. A bubble around my 512 plot 600 meters up. I would love to extend the already available barrier that is provided with land ownership. This does not seem to extend up to the height I am working at. an invisable fence type thing...

I think I will burn the prims and build a box around my platform for now. This will do pretty much the same thing just cost me about 20 prims...

Thanks so much for the thoughts. Ordinal I do have your creation up and running incase we do have problems with certain people. Nice bit of work, thank you.

I agree, It would be a pain to have the ban line extend all the way up, but a way to define the area to protect would be slick. paying an extra fee to increase that area is not a bad idea either. Good thoughts though, thanks.

SL are best when we dont need to be sent home-- crash sent sims or half sims away.. or need to click ignore warnings..

Ban the security scripts once for all....

/Tina

If they started to charge for banlines..I would get a security script. Nuff said. One time cost vs weekly, and with no limit on height or amount of bans.

Mind you my -main- area houses an airstrip at ground level. Noone is banned (currently) and its free fly (just watch out for the skybox at 600 m, mind our privacy please).

The only land I'd ban on would be our soon to be second home, a (semi) sprawling ranch with a grecoroman theme. Of course, that remains up to greifers...

edit: If LL gave us decent (no charge) land tools we wouldn't need security scripts. As long as land tools remain limited..and the alternative would be to pay, then security scripts will always exist.

Except none of this really excuses the "teleport people home when NOBODY IS AROUND" law.

I mean, the "privacy" excuse doesn't work so well if you aren't there, you know?

There should be a workaround that includes a 'security is down when people from X list aren't online and on property'

But aside from that..

It should also keep others objects off..preferably flinging peoples objects after a 5 minute warning..have fun hinting and push isn't illegal on objects you leave on others land

I'm sorry to say that I disagree with the premise that if i'm not online or at home, that my privacy can't be violated. I agree that the security should only go up to a certain height to allow for those who desire to fly and that sufficient warning should be given, but my home is my personal space. I pay good money for my girlfriend and I to have this space, what we have and do there is nobody's business. I don't know where you all live in RL, but even if my home had nothing of value in it, I wouldn't leave it without locking the door.

I don't consider myself anti-social. In fact, I'm very easy to get along and work with. Perhaps i'm a bit jaded by my coming home with my girlfriend to find some stranger using the pose balls on our bed or changing a camera angle only to find someone looking in my window. Does this happen often, no. But, its happened often enuf to know I don't want people snooping around whether I'm there or not.

FYI: I currently use an automatic weapon detector script that immediately teleports home anyone that owns a fast moving object that is inside of my building. Note: My building is located within 20m of the ground.

Unfortunately skyboxes are going to be used until some sort of underground area is created.

There is also the "Sim boundary" problem where if your parcel is located at the edge there will be a 2 second or so delay before objects are used by the physics engine. This means that you can fly into a skybox and get stuck inside of it. Slow connect speeds can also have the same effect as the building rezes around you.

There are several proposals that would help the situation.

.1. llReturnObject(key id) would allow the script to return your aircraft when it slams into the side of a building.

Note: I have had one flying vehicle crash into my building even though it is at ground level.

.2. A dozen "Underground" proposals of varying types.
I prefer the simpler land check box "Allow underground avatars". This would disable the "Bob to surface" code. "Zones" or negative quadrants would be better, but harder to implement.

.3. Change the TOS to allow security scripts to lightly push flying vehicles. This would require removing the bizarre distance force mangling from llPushObject()


Also note that there are currently two bugs in “llSensor…”
.1. The first scan can sometimes give you stuff from the next sim.
.2. It sometimes forgets the Z axis and will give you avatars 200m away.
Therefore, it’s important to check the detected position!

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The TOS is broken, we know that.

So.

Instead of worrying about the TOS, let's talk about what a security script that isn't stupid should do:

Check for the presence of members of the allowed group. If there are no members of the allowed group in sensor range, then run in "passive" mode - only specifically banned people are acted on. There's no point in ejecting innocent passers by from the land when there's nobody to protect.

Pop up a dialog 30 seconds before acting, unless the user is on the ban list and they're returning to the land more than once in the past day.

Don't do ANYTHING ELSE in that 30 seconds. Theres a really stupid script out there that unsits you when it pops up the dialog. Which means that if you're in a plane you're likely to spend most of the warning period just getting back to your plane!

Eject from land on the first pass. Teleport home if they return. Possibly put sufficiently aggressive visitors on the ban list. But don't just jump right in and zap people.

Unless you own a significant portion of a sim, if you're not at home your privacy can't be violated in any way that a security script or access controls can help you with. People can drive their camera right into your house and look at anything they want to.
Script your pose balls so they can only be used by you or with your approval. Vehicles are already scripted this way, I'm really surprised poseball scripts don;t have the same options.
If you're at home, then you can send them home.
I would like the ability to have a private area, too, but since we don't have that option there's no point in trying to pretend that security scripts can give you one.