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Short angry rant I probably should not post but am going to anyway

Wednesday Grimm
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07-23-2004 07:35
Ok:
Hello, I am working on a script and have hit a snag I can't get past, how do I...

Not ok:
Dear scripting forum, write a script for me please, I am too lazy to learn to script LOL :) :) :)
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Darwin Appleby
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07-23-2004 10:57
:D
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-23-2004 11:03
Wednesday,

As somone who has requested a script in the classified forum, I want to make a comment.

I can think of many reasons why people might not be able to script, apart from the only one you seem to be able to consider: laziness.

1. A mental inability to get to grips with scripting. People have different mental abilities, and some people find programming of any sort impossible.

2. Some people have busy lives, and just don't have the time to devote to learning a scripting language.

3. Some people find that the materials available to the learner are inadequate. Some people can learn from manuals, others need instruction from another person. In any event, the materials available to the potential scripter are currently not very well designed, at least the ones I have seen.

4. A person might be in the middle of a building project which takes all their time and energy, and needs a script in a hurry for part of the project.

There are many other reasons I can think of. To call everybody who requests a script 'lazy' could be regarded as arrogant and condescending. I'm sure this was not the impression you wished to give.
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Goodwrench Grayson
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07-23-2004 11:08
Thanks. Actually, I count myself as one of those that seems to have a mental block on scripting. Now building on the other hand.... I love.

Scripting I'm still trying to learn, but I'm happy to say I know of a few people that can provide what I need if I'm in a rush. I'd like to think that I'm not lazy because I don't want to dump more technical work onto my 40+ hour a week job and all my other real life commitments. :D

And, as a light-hearted rant to all you natural coders out there: Damn you all!

I'm jealous. :D
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Jack Digeridoo
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07-23-2004 11:14
If you want a script, classifieds are the best place to ask. Note how much you are willing to pay as well for the quickest response.
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Siobhan Taylor
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07-23-2004 11:14
From: someone
Originally posted by Goodwrench Grayson
And, as a light-hearted rant to all you natural coders out there: Damn you all!

I'm jealous. :D


Natural coders??? There's nothing natural about that bunch... lol.
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Darwin Appleby
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07-23-2004 11:15
From: someone
Originally posted by Selador Cellardoor
Wednesday,

As somone who has requested a script in the classified forum, I want to make a comment.

I can think of many reasons why people might not be able to script, apart from the only one you seem to be able to consider: laziness.

1. A mental inability to get to grips with scripting. People have different mental abilities, and some people find programming of any sort impossible.

2. Some people have busy lives, and just don't have the time to devote to learning a scripting language.

3. Some people find that the materials available to the learner are inadequate. Some people can learn from manuals, others need instruction from another person. In any event, the materials available to the potential scripter are currently not very well designed, at least the ones I have seen.

4. A person might be in the middle of a building project which takes all their time and energy, and needs a script in a hurry for part of the project.

There are many other reasons I can think of. To call everybody who requests a script 'lazy' could be regarded as arrogant and condescending. I'm sure this was not the impression you wished to give.


Well that's all well and good, but there's a huge difference beteween asking polietly and demanding a script, expecting everyone in there can just "write one for ya" without a problem.
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Wednesday Grimm
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07-23-2004 11:30
From: someone
Originally posted by Selador Cellardoor
As somone who has requested a script in the classified forum, I want to make a comment.


I am misunderstood.

I am speaking specifically to posts in the scripting forum that are not asking for help, and that are not asking to exchange money or goods or services for scripts (and as has been said, the place for these is the classifieds forum), but are rather demanding that someone write a script for them.

I am not parodying people here, there are posts in this forum that literally end with that sentiment, "I am too lazy to learn, do it for me!"

Me, I can't do animations. I tried Blender, but as it turns out, I am too lazy to learn how to use it properly. I don't post in the animation forum demanding someone make animations for me, I barter for them or buy them.

From: someone
Originally posted by Selador Cellardoor
To call everybody who requests a script 'lazy' could be regarded as arrogant and condescending. I'm sure this was not the impression you wished to give.

Actually, that is the image I try to cultivate, but not what I meant... this time.
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Goodwrench Grayson
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07-23-2004 11:47
I'd say we misunderstood then. As Ellen Degeneres says, "It wouldn't hurt to hear more pleases and thank yous, right?"
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07-23-2004 11:54
From: someone
Originally posted by Selador Cellardoor
Wednesday,

As somone who has requested a script in the classified forum, I want to make a comment.

I can think of many reasons why people might not be able to script, apart from the only one you seem to be able to consider: laziness.

1. A mental inability to get to grips with scripting. People have different mental abilities, and some people find programming of any sort impossible.

2. Some people have busy lives, and just don't have the time to devote to learning a scripting language.

3. Some people find that the materials available to the learner are inadequate. Some people can learn from manuals, others need instruction from another person. In any event, the materials available to the potential scripter are currently not very well designed, at least the ones I have seen.

4. A person might be in the middle of a building project which takes all their time and energy, and needs a script in a hurry for part of the project.

There are many other reasons I can think of. To call everybody who requests a script 'lazy' could be regarded as arrogant and condescending. I'm sure this was not the impression you wished to give.


5. Scripting may not interest them, so they have no desire to learn it...
Torment Thorn
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07-23-2004 12:11
My senerio would be #4 but since this post I'll not bother you. Thanks anyway.
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Wednesday Grimm
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07-23-2004 12:30
Hey, I'm just a grump who never helps anyone IW or in the forums. If you're going to let one person's single angry rant scare you off...
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Torment Thorn
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07-23-2004 12:49
Not scared off... just thinking you're probably right. Why should we who do not script bother those who do. We all have busy lives. Whenever I do find scripters who are willing to do scripting for others here in the forums they are usually swamped busy.

I looked through the myriad of scripts in the forums here and have been fighting for a week with a combination of the "Door" script and the Joint option, just to make a box open. LOL I'll get it eventually. Just later than sooner... single mother with two kids and a full time job where I'm cramming a couple other programming languages into my already aging brain, among other things; I do not have time or patience to read how to's on game scripting right now.

I have tried to get in on Hank Ramos's classes but always seem to miss them either with time differences or lack of prior warning (am a very spotty forum reader) to name a few. But I will keep trying to make his classes.
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07-23-2004 13:07
I find that I am always in need of scripts. I pay an ongoing weekly fee to an excellent scripter in exchange for the scripts I find myself needing. This is a major help to me and my projects and I don't mind the payment at all. I can figure out basic scripting but for the more advanced stuff I prefer to turn to people who know what they're doing. As the saying goes, you get what you pay for, and if you don't pay anything you may not get squat!
Kayin Zugzwang
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07-23-2004 13:29
I know my self comes here a lot to ask for scripts for things I simply can't comprehend figuring out. I general I try and do all my own scripting work but a lot of times I don't even know where to BEGIN. Though in general I ask for short, basic scripts that are no more then 10 or 15 lines and when I get these scripts I go to the wiki and figure out why it works.

I see no problem with asking., you just have to realize you might not get a response. Whenever I doubt I don't think anything of it, The script I mentioned might of been more complex then I'd expect or no one has the time/charity. I can't fault anyone for that.
Selador Cellardoor
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07-23-2004 13:39
Darwin,

<Well that's all well and good, but there's a huge difference beteween asking polietly and demanding a script, expecting everyone in there can just "write one for ya" without a problem.>

I agree, absolutely, but that wasn't the message I got from the original posting.
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Selador Cellardoor
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07-23-2004 13:42
Wednesday,

<I am not parodying people here, there are posts in this forum that literally end with that sentiment, "I am too lazy to learn, do it for me!" >

I can see how that might be a trifle aggravating.

<Actually, that is the image I try to cultivate, but not what I meant... this time.>

:)
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Grim Lupis
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07-23-2004 15:30
From: someone
Originally posted by Siobhan Taylor
Natural coders??? There's nothing natural about that bunch... lol.


:p Pfft...
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