Cleanest way to scan a larger area.

First forgive me if this is a little jumbled been a long night

I know a Sensor can scan 96m, I also know the a way to scan a whole sim is to Rez other little balls to move about and scan the sim also and send the results back to the main base object. But what is the cleanest and best way to accomplish a sim wide scan.

I am sitting here and trying to figure it out without sending hundreds of these little rezzed balls around. The guidance I have had so far is awesome.

Thank you before hand,
Mist Hydraconis

what will you scan for? prims? avatars? land?

within lsl, there really isn't one, "clean" way, but you can use gumball tessalation and a single moving sensor to accomplish it.

gumballs sitting loose in the bottom of a container with form a triangular grid(or hexagonal if it makes it easier to visualize) when shifted lightly to one side. if you add a layer, you'll notice they take up a simalar pattern but shifted over.

one sensor moving to each position represented in that pattern, could scan a whole sim up to a height you choose with minimal overlaps, and no voids, and if it returned it's max detection number in any one area, you can turn around and rescan the area with smaller arcs to ensure full coverage.

all presuming land permissions allow for it.

or just ask jesse for a link for PAR, which I know does full sim avatar scans in a snap, and can't remember if it does objects etc too.

Actually all you have to do now instead of using PAR is download and use the Greenlife Viewer. It has it built in and does not contribute to simulator lag. Plus it has many more bells and whistles.

http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=sections&Itemid=5

Sorry about not being too clear last night. I am looking to scan just for Avatars. I will have to read up on greenlife but will greenlife allow me to send data to a prim?

Yep.

Which channel does Green Life announce to?

Hi Mist. This is how to use the Emerald radar chat. Hit the Radar button and then the options leaf and turn on announce keys to HUD. The new keys get chatted to channel -777777777 and you can change it in debug, EmeraldRadarChatKeysChannel. The chat looks like 65337,19,key_goes_here. "65337,19," is a constant string in Emerald so you can throw it away.

Thank you Void for showing me how to get this to post

Thank you Jesse for pointing me to Emerald.

Thank you Cerise for guiding me on the channel info.

May I request a small bit of guidance on making this work smoothly?

I can see that when a member enters the sim I get a chat message on the corresponding channel. Is there any data sent when a member leaves the sim? Lastly and probably more easier is there a way to pull the list of current Avatars on the Radar list? Since that will be the most current and up-to-date info.


Thank you,
Mist

If I am not mistaken, there's a few very questionable people contributing to this Emerald project..

One, being a person who charged $200USD for a viewer with attack tools (viewer crashers). All kinds of infractions there on the source license.

The second, the kid who maintained Shooped and Copybot while "leading" the Patriotic Nigras. Sure, the source is available, but god only knows what these kids put in the binaries.

Don't come crying to the forums when you've found yourself cleaned out of all your lindens some day.

Nod thanks for the heads up, I will trust it for now and make a solemn promise not to come here with complaints about it

Emerald will not tell but LSL can do it. Maybe you use llGetObjectDetails for the avatar position. You can prune the key if nothing comes back. llGetAgentSize works too.

Questionable people also use an alt to make accusations. A LOT of people have been using PAR and Greenlife with no problems.

The source code is there. Look at it and compile it yourself if you are worried.

Those aren't accusations, just two simple facts.

I know a few decent types contributed to PAR. But considering the past of two of Emerald's contributors, it would be insane to not approach this viewer with a great deal of caution if you are just downloading the binaries and running setup.exe.

I already compile my own, but thanks for the advice.

There are no facts unless there is corroborating evidence. Again, why are you not using your regular account when you come to the scripting forums and spout this? You create an alt specifically for this one post and everyone would have to question your motives. I do know that ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY, I say as Jesse Barnett, including calling bullshit, bullshit spouted off by someone without the cojones to say it attached to their main account.

Now lets look a little deeper at this in the light of reason. The subject of the "trust ability" of 3rd party viewers has come up a few times now. It is true that you are taking a chance with downloading ANYTHING to your computer. Can you really "trust" Microsoft or Apple or Quicktime or ANY company? History would question the advisability of that. The same could be said about Linden Labs itself as it has introduced it's own bugs into the system that has caused people to loose money, accounts and even thousands of dollars worth of inventory before.

The people creating the 3rd party viewers are performing a public service, not unlike those here in the forums who spends several hundred hours per year answering questions. The viewer devs spend hundreds of hours tweaking, correcting bugs and creating websites and then even more time answering questions of the people using their products. I do not know Boy Lane or Nicholaz or Thomas or Lord Greg Greg or Nexii on a personal level in real life. There is the possibility that one or all do have larceny at heart and have hatched a nefarious plan to steal all of your $L. But I do know that there are much easier ways to steal even more money with much less risk then doing it this way.

I have never seen a report of anyone saying that one of these viewers has stolen their money. To take it a step further, the names Shooped Life and Copybot were mentioned. If someone was to create a list of "Most likely to steal your $L" then those two would be at the very top. Even worse is the reputation of the Patriotic Nigras hosting those two programs.They have shown a blatant disregard for LL and it's user base. They have crashed sims and caused untold grief and the worst expressions of prejudice and YET.............. could someone, anyone, please show me one report where anyone has stated that ANY 3rd party program, including those two, has stolen their $L??????

Now what would happen in the case of one of them going rogue and stole the $L of their respective user base? First hurdle to cross would be stealing all of this money from multiple accounts without triggering the built in safe guards. Then they have to cash this money out of SL by either Paypal or having LL send them a check without triggering other alarms and all before everyone started raising hell and pointing the theft out to LL. Even if they were able to get to this point, now they have money in their bank account, tied to their real life name and hopefully it is enough money for them to run and hide for a veeeery long time.

Did I miss anything? Can someone point out a flaw in my thought processes? EDITED.

A person wanting to promote certain viewers could create an alt and make negative statements about them of a sort that have in the past provoked heated responses and produced lengthy discussions that bring a great deal of attention to those viewers.

if we're going to talk about damage caused by people that created tools, I'd just like to mention that I myself at ohne time created an entire suite or mod tools for a certain game with the help of two others... there were no controls, no limiting code, and the second partner, (that was actually brought in by the first) released all of them into the wild, including several hacks (thankfully I managed to patch the server crasher I found before it could do much harm).

the point being, skill at coding or breaking down file formats or modding or whatever is a separate thing that the ethics of person with the ability, and even good people can get a bad name because of it ( I certainly did, unfortunately that game had no support and died anyway.. it was a good game)

all viewers may have trust issues, you can only go by experience of the people using it (or the people checking it) if you don't have the ability to check the source yourself.

if you are truly concerned about it, there are two simple choice A) don't use it B) only use it with alts that aren't going to cost you much more than time...

(and why would anyone complain to a specific unassociated forum poster about their problems with a specific product... that's fucking stupid)

I started to use llGetObjectDetails to check for their pos if it returned null I removed them from the list.

My main question is is there a way to make Emerald re-announce who is there?

As in once the prim is summoned since it seems it will only grab the newest ppl coming in not the ppl that were already there.

Thank you,
Mist Hydraconis.

And might I add that even bad people can start to do good things. As per a previous discussion there are also the gray hats who hop back and forth over the fence. I also mentioned before; John Hurliman, a major star of libsl who was and is greatly admired by many in Linden Labs. He has reported a boat load of major SECs and yet a couple of years ago he was the one that started selling the hacked God Mode viewer that caused a great deal of grief. I even paid the money to have my own copy. Frankly, it was cool as heck. Map anyone at anytime, freeze em, crash em. Actually I guess that makes me a pretty bad person also. I did derive a great deal of enjoyment from doling out my own punishment to greifers but must admit that I did cross the line over into hurting innocents also, that part I am not proud of.

Baba is another one that I guess could be classified as gray yet he also has helped to plug a plethora of security leaks that could have caused wide spread damage. I doubt we would have Open Sim if not for the contribution of the two of them. A product that is enjoyed by a lot of people.

I myself am reserving judgement. I see no reason to doubt the GL Emerald team and as I outlined above, outright, widespread theft would be an extremely difficult feat to pull off.

You can with PAR but not with Emerald. LGG made a comment about this in their forum and I do not see it happening anytime soon. I use the info as the basis for a nice, 3d, whole sim radar. All I do is leave the sim and then pop back in for it to re announce the keys.

Ok looks like I will need an item I constantly wear to be the list builder. That way the summoned prim will just ask for the list

Thank you for your help so far, even if we jumped into a debate for a short bit.

I will give this a shot and if I run into any more questions I will be back

Mist Hydraconis

I made an API that listens to the emerald chat and sends it to my scanner. I hoped this would help reduce lag (my scanner uses roving sensors) so people wouldnt have to turn those rovers on. Alas.. the emerald client only chats the info (20m range) so you would have to stay near the radar for it to work. I was hoping just having 1 avatar in the sim using the emeraldc lient would suffice

pick up the chat with an attachment that repeats the data using llRegionSay