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Peter Potkova

Registered User

Join date: 31 Dec 2006

Posts: 4

02-17-2007 16:43

Hi,

I saw in the Trocadero (nightclub) a dance pole with a Tip Jar above. I understand that the girls who dance on the pole get the tips for 80% and that the owner of the nightclub gets 20% of the tip.
I know how to make a dance ball, and how to make a the pole. But i dont know how to make a Tip Jar with a 80/20 payment. Have somebody this script for me?

With regards , Peter (Potkova)

Winter Ventura

Eclectic Randomness

Join date: 18 Jul 2006

Posts: 2,579

02-17-2007 19:55

I think the practice of the club owner skimming off dancer's tips is utterly reprehensible.

Try trusting your dancers to pay a percentage of their tips. Those who don't.. fire them. If you can't trust your employees.. you shouldn't be hiring them.

That said.. take a look at things you can do with the money event.

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Learjeff Innis

musician & coder

Join date: 27 Nov 2006

Posts: 817

02-18-2007 08:15

Peter, the answer is simple, and happy to help out a competitor in the tip jar business.

In the money() event, use llGiveMoney() to pay to whichever party is not the owner of the object -- typically the dancer. Any money not given to the other party stays with the object owner.

Note that you can't pay fractional $L, so accumulate the pennies for fairness.

Cheers
Jeff

Ravanne Sullivan

Pole Dancer Extraordinair

Join date: 10 Dec 2005

Posts: 674

02-18-2007 11:07

From: Winter Ventura

I think the practice of the club owner skimming off dancer's tips is utterly reprehensible.

Rather judgemental of you.

Perhaps it would be better for the club to go out of business so that the dancer has no place to work? Or should they keep pen and paper ready and document every tip that comes their way in a busy and often chat and spam filled environment so that they can properly account for all tips and make sure they pay the club owner the proper amount?

Oh, and I'm sure that the dancers always make sure they pass along the club owners percentage of any tips given to them directly. If the dancers don't like having the tip jar "skim" off the club owners rightful percentage they have the option of working elsewhere.

As to a split tip script for a tip jar, do a search of the scripting library forum for "split tip" and I'm sure you will find something useful.

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Winter Ventura

Eclectic Randomness

Join date: 18 Jul 2006

Posts: 2,579

02-18-2007 18:33

No.. it's EXTREMELY judgmental of me.

Rant

From: someone

Actually.. there's a lot of tipjars out there that will track how many tips you've gotten. Determining a 20% portion isn't that hard (take off a 0, and double). I know these tipjars exist, because I wrote one.

My tipjar allows the dancer to know PRECISELY how many tips she's received since setting the jar out, and who tipped how much.. and it will even delete itself if she logs off or leaves the area.

What I'm talking about is the social appropriateness of strong-arming your girls. Rather than treating them as talented performers, who are doing YOU a service by attracting people to your establishment.. you are treating THEM like you're doing THEM a favour, allowing them to sell their bodies to pay for YOUR lifestyle.

I have seen many successful clubs that trust their dancers to pay a percentage (sometimes not even asking!) of their tips. If they consistently short-change the club.. everyone will know. Clubs like this tend to form tight families.. with all the dancers and managers alike feeling a kinship towards one another. The colder, and more impersonal you make it for your dancers, the more turnover you're going to see.

In real life, tips go into bras and panties and such.. directly to the dancer. Just like at Denny's, it is the tip-ee's job to determine the split of the tips. If your goal is to have a "realistic and fun social experience" then I'd suggest trusting the girls.

For your information, I used to be a dancer at one of those trusting clubs. And it was a blast. The dancers I have known in SL, who dance at those clubs ususaly fall in love with the places.. and when one shuts down, the whole community turns out to throw it a send-off party. The clubs that force you to use THEIR tipjars, create a huge "big brother" mentality by doing so. Customers who really like the girls are tempted to pay the girls directly, to avoid the club's "take"... and then the girls get harassed and fired for what the customer did on their own.

Soon you've got dancers ratting out on other dancers in an effort to "prove their loyalty" and thus hopefully ingratiate themselves to you so they can keep their jobs. Any little excuse becomes a reason to tattle. "jane was afk for 15 minutes", "alice left without logging out of her tipjar". Any minor infraction becomes an excuse to sell out your "competition".

By skimming a percentage off the top of your dancers tips.. you become little more than a pimp.

That's why I stopped dancing in SL.

As has been stated before.. try looking at the money event.. to see what you can do with it. Scripting Tips is not a place to "find a scripter to script it for you". Try under Products Wanted.

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Tip Jar 80/20 procent
Peter Potkova Registered User Join date: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 4	02-17-2007 16:43 Hi, I saw in the Trocadero (nightclub) a dance pole with a Tip Jar above. I understand that the girls who dance on the pole get the tips for 80% and that the owner of the nightclub gets 20% of the tip. I know how to make a dance ball, and how to make a the pole. But i dont know how to make a Tip Jar with a 80/20 payment. Have somebody this script for me? With regards , Peter (Potkova)
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Join date: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2,579	02-17-2007 19:55 I think the practice of the club owner skimming off dancer's tips is utterly reprehensible. Try trusting your dancers to pay a percentage of their tips. Those who don't.. fire them. If you can't trust your employees.. you shouldn't be hiring them. That said.. take a look at things you can do with the money event. _____________________ ● Inworld Store: http://slurl.eclectic-randomness.com ● Website: http://www.eclectic-randomness.com ● Twitter: @WinterVentura
Learjeff Innis musician & coder Join date: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 817	02-18-2007 08:15 Peter, the answer is simple, and happy to help out a competitor in the tip jar business. In the money() event, use llGiveMoney() to pay to whichever party is not the owner of the object -- typically the dancer. Any money not given to the other party stays with the object owner. Note that you can't pay fractional $L, so accumulate the pennies for fairness. Cheers Jeff
Ravanne Sullivan Pole Dancer Extraordinair Join date: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 674	02-18-2007 11:07 From: Winter Ventura I think the practice of the club owner skimming off dancer's tips is utterly reprehensible. Rather judgemental of you. Perhaps it would be better for the club to go out of business so that the dancer has no place to work? Or should they keep pen and paper ready and document every tip that comes their way in a busy and often chat and spam filled environment so that they can properly account for all tips and make sure they pay the club owner the proper amount? Oh, and I'm sure that the dancers always make sure they pass along the club owners percentage of any tips given to them directly. If the dancers don't like having the tip jar "skim" off the club owners rightful percentage they have the option of working elsewhere. As to a split tip script for a tip jar, do a search of the scripting library forum for "split tip" and I'm sure you will find something useful. _____________________ Ravanne's Dance Poles and Animations Available at my Superstore and Showroom on Insula de Somni http://slurl.com/secondlife/Insula de Somni/94/194/27/
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Join date: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2,579	02-18-2007 18:33 No.. it's EXTREMELY judgmental of me. Rant From: someone Actually.. there's a lot of tipjars out there that will track how many tips you've gotten. Determining a 20% portion isn't that hard (take off a 0, and double). I know these tipjars exist, because I wrote one. My tipjar allows the dancer to know PRECISELY how many tips she's received since setting the jar out, and who tipped how much.. and it will even delete itself if she logs off or leaves the area. What I'm talking about is the social appropriateness of strong-arming your girls. Rather than treating them as talented performers, who are doing YOU a service by attracting people to your establishment.. you are treating THEM like you're doing THEM a favour, allowing them to sell their bodies to pay for YOUR lifestyle. I have seen many successful clubs that trust their dancers to pay a percentage (sometimes not even asking!) of their tips. If they consistently short-change the club.. everyone will know. Clubs like this tend to form tight families.. with all the dancers and managers alike feeling a kinship towards one another. The colder, and more impersonal you make it for your dancers, the more turnover you're going to see. In real life, tips go into bras and panties and such.. directly to the dancer. Just like at Denny's, it is the tip-ee's job to determine the split of the tips. If your goal is to have a "realistic and fun social experience" then I'd suggest trusting the girls. For your information, I used to be a dancer at one of those trusting clubs. And it was a blast. The dancers I have known in SL, who dance at those clubs ususaly fall in love with the places.. and when one shuts down, the whole community turns out to throw it a send-off party. The clubs that force you to use THEIR tipjars, create a huge "big brother" mentality by doing so. Customers who really like the girls are tempted to pay the girls directly, to avoid the club's "take"... and then the girls get harassed and fired for what the customer did on their own. Soon you've got dancers ratting out on other dancers in an effort to "prove their loyalty" and thus hopefully ingratiate themselves to you so they can keep their jobs. Any little excuse becomes a reason to tattle. "jane was afk for 15 minutes", "alice left without logging out of her tipjar". Any minor infraction becomes an excuse to sell out your "competition". By skimming a percentage off the top of your dancers tips.. you become little more than a pimp. That's why I stopped dancing in SL. As has been stated before.. try looking at the money event.. to see what you can do with it. Scripting Tips is not a place to "find a scripter to script it for you". Try under Products Wanted. _____________________ ● Inworld Store: http://slurl.eclectic-randomness.com ● Website: http://www.eclectic-randomness.com ● Twitter: @WinterVentura

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