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Spoofing Sim Shutdown or Log-Off ?

EyeInStein Abel
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09-26-2006 05:52
Last night while sitting in a high paying camp chair (yes, even as a premium member..lol), I found myself notified that I had been logged off as the SIM had gone offline. Odd, because we had been reset less than 2 hours before - with the courteous 2 minute reset notices.. all the way to 15 secs.

Anyway, I came back to the SIM.. started camping and a short while later, found myself logged out - with absolutely no notices - and I know it wasn't inactivity.

My question is... can an AV be spoofed into being logged out ? It may sound paranoid, but after having someone trying to rob me by caging me, and watching senseless griefing - who knows how many times - I don't put it past someone doing this to get a camping chair... sorry.

Obviously, I am not asking how. I just want to know if it is possible, because this is bugging me, and I haven't even begun to study scripting. Sadly, I'm sure that if it is, it is virtually impossible to catch it, as a compiled script could be erased as soon as it is used.
Burke Prefect
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Join date: 29 Oct 2004
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09-26-2006 07:27
From: EyeInStein Abel
Last night while sitting in a high paying camp chair (yes, even as a premium member..lol), I found myself notified that I had been logged off as the SIM had gone offline. Odd, because we had been reset less than 2 hours before - with the courteous 2 minute reset notices.. all the way to 15 secs.

Anyway, I came back to the SIM.. started camping and a short while later, found myself logged out - with absolutely no notices - and I know it wasn't inactivity.

My question is... can an AV be spoofed into being logged out ? It may sound paranoid, but after having someone trying to rob me by caging me, and watching senseless griefing - who knows how many times - I don't put it past someone doing this to get a camping chair... sorry.

Obviously, I am not asking how. I just want to know if it is possible, because this is bugging me, and I haven't even begun to study scripting. Sadly, I'm sure that if it is, it is virtually impossible to catch it, as a compiled script could be erased as soon as it is used.


It's possible the sim just crashed of you were disconnected from the sim without warning. It happens sometimes. Also, on rare occassions the client can crash, and close out without an error.
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EyeInStein Abel
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Ok
09-26-2006 08:01
Thanks for the answer. I am well aware I'm in a very grey area here. Admitting that such an exploit could exist, probably is not an option anyway, and definitely feeds suspicion..

On a further note, I'm nearly convinced that I am now watching a script that keeps the owner online, stands them up periodically to collect and then seats them immediately in the same chair. Clever, and nothing wrong there..but watching such coding, I'm really having my doubts about the fun of this sim for the innocent people thinking they have the same opportunities in this game as the crafty..

IMHO
Stephanie Abernathy
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09-26-2006 09:14
From: EyeInStein Abel

...and a short while later, found myself logged out - with absolutely no notices - and I know it wasn't inactivity.


If you mean that you simply lost your connection (bandwidth drops to zero Kbps), that's nothing to be concerned about. Happens to me all the time and is a problem with my connection rather than anything to do with SL.
Travis Lambert
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09-26-2006 09:49
Any chance that an administrator may have logged you off, EyeInStein?

Camping chairs have been quite contraversial, and many residents have begun resorting to filing abuse reports on establishments filling up their local sim with large amounts of AFK campers.

The gripe is, if you're a store owner in Sim X, and there's also a camping spot in Sim X, the camping spot can quickly fill the sim to capacity, making it so no one can get in the sim to visit the store owner's place.

I think Linden is still brainstorming on a solution to this problem, but it wouldn't surprise me if 'logging campers off' was the action taken in response to abuse reports filed right now.

Just a theory though :)
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Island Granville
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09-26-2006 10:10
I have often wondered about the possibility of unethical landowners (or their alts) deliberately taking down the sim to boot campers. Any money paid by campers to increase camping bonus/time/payout etc would be lost, becoming profit for the landowner.

I once witnessed a griefer rezzing piles of enourmous scripted objects (vehicles, huge cow-burgers, etc) over a popular casino. This casino had many pay-activated camping devices and was located in a sim that went down fairly regularly. Wasn't there a safeguard implemented some time ago that would cause a sim to restart if a large quantity of scripted objects appeared rapidly? At the time I thought it was mindless griefing, but it struck me that the casino owner would actually stand to gain from this behavior.
Govindira Galatea
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Economics of camping chairs?
09-26-2006 10:57
**Steals the thread for a moment**

Could someone please explain the economics behind camping chairs? The benefit to the sitter is obvious, but I don't understand why anyone would benefit from paying for sitting. If it's to drive traffic up, thereby getting higher rents from vendors, it seems to me to be self defeating; most people would not want their stores in a hopelessly lagging sim.

**Returns the thread to the OP**
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Aakanaar LaSalle
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09-26-2006 11:16
It drives thier posting up on the search of popular places. This is the only reason that I know of
Burke Prefect
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09-26-2006 12:31
From: Govindira Galatea

Could someone please explain the economics behind camping chairs? T


Better traffic rating = top places = more paying customers = $$$$
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Island Granville
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09-26-2006 12:51
From: Govindira Galatea
**Steals the thread for a moment**

Could someone please explain the economics behind camping chairs?


There are some camping devices that offer bonuses to gamblers. The money paid in almost always exceeds the payout in my experience, so the house wins. With more chairs and more hopeful gamblers, the house stands to win more. Is there a balance between the money paid to non-gambling campers and the money spent by those trying to increase their camping rate? Who knows, but it must at least reduce the expense of the "bought" traffic.
EyeInStein Abel
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09-26-2006 13:09
In answer to the connection possibility - I don't share any nodes ( I'm not on cable ) - I have a steady 6000/384. Very Steady. When AFK - I shut the network down to 150kb and this sim still only registers a very small green bar, maybe 25-50kb.

In answer to the thought that it may have been the site owner, I really don't think so. The camping chair total = the number of gambling machines sitting in front of the chairs. If you have nothing to do when camping but gamble - you provide more than enough to cover the cost of a few hours camping with just a few games. Some chairs are off.

Concerns over the owners - off the subject, but legit - as I have been in one that I know ( and reported) where a chair did not pay - and one or two of the games tell you you won - but did not pay out. This wasn't a fluke - others reported it also. Never even got a response from LL on that abuse report - and the machines and chair are STILL taking people's money and not paying them for their time. This is not EVEN mentioning the fact that (conveniently left out of this particular sims description) there is a CAP on the chairs - even though they CLEARLY state - 'EARN UNLIMITED $L". Fraud - blatant fraud. And nothing is being done about it.

Rezzing objects on or around the chair HAS crashed my game before, and the individual who did it promptly gained the chair and the object returned to either their lost or found or was taken - don't know. So, that is a possiblity.

I do know of one individual, caught by the owner of the club, that was getting everyone to add to a sploder ball and rezzing an object that would (supposedly) grab all of the money. Whether it would have worked or not, don't know, but she quickly told the fella, 'Dude, you just f*cked up..', banned him and told everyone in the club that he was banned and what he was doing. All of this to get...

...Back to the original question - I really have to wonder - with only the option of having scripts running or not having scripts running - how much of an advantage the devious have in earning 'money' - or taking it from some of us unaware. Nothing here would surprise me.
Island Granville
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09-26-2006 14:06
From: EyeInStein Abel


I do know of one individual, caught by the owner of the club, that was getting everyone to add to a sploder ball and rezzing an object that would (supposedly) grab all of the money.


I think I read that post. Someone placed a transparent object surrounding a 'sploder, with the intent that money would be paid to them instead of the 'sploder's owner. The moral of the story, for club owners / event operators anyway, is check your objects for these "cloaks".
EyeInStein Abel
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09-26-2006 15:22
From: Island Granville
I think I read that post. Someone placed a transparent object surrounding a 'sploder, with the intent that money would be paid to them instead of the 'sploder's owner. The moral of the story, for club owners / event operators anyway, is check your objects for these "cloaks".


Twasn't a post to which I refer. I was actually camping in club when this happened and watched this unfold.