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Newfie Pendragon

Crusty and proud of it

Join date: 19 Dec 2003

Posts: 1,025

07-08-2006 19:37

Hi all:

With all the recent hubbub recently about orbital-gun wearing griefers, have been looking into how these negative-mass prims are made. Needless to say, it's not exactly an openly-proclaimed tidbit of info. So to that end I'm taking the offer-em-cash approach

To that end, I'm offering the following bounties:

1) $5000L to be given a script (source-code readable) that can create a neg-mass prim, or instructions on how to manually reproduce the effect;

OR

2) $2500L for a full-rights copy of a neg-mass prim.

I'll give payment only after confirmation that 1) or 2) is the genuine article. Anonymity will be promised if requested.

- Newfie

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Interfect Sonic

for the win!

Join date: 8 Jun 2006

Posts: 2,313

07-08-2006 21:57

I'm not sure a negative-mass prim would be *strictly* necesary for an orbiter. I think it just regenerates its energy quickly. Although destributing information about such energy sources would be, in my opinion, a good thing. I might use one in my de-orbiter, to better counteract the effects of orbiters. If you get one of these, could you consider sending one my way?
If they are necesary for a good orbiter, why not just ask LL to fix the bug in their massing code? That would stop all the orbiting greifers.
Interfect

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

07-09-2006 04:59

It is probably no longer possible to make them, most of the objects with screwed up bounding boxes are legacy and cannot be recreated (as bounding box & mass are cached).

It seems the new mass equations set the min mass to 0.00100. This is different then how things worked during 1.5 and later releases (where it would give up applying attributes if the mass went negitive and just use the pre screw-up value).

I have prims that when they were created back during 1.3 & 1.4 were negitive in mass but now they report as 0.00100 in mass. I won't be passing them along as they violate the size restrictions on prims.

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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
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Ayrn Wake

Registered User

Join date: 7 Jan 2006

Posts: 39

07-09-2006 05:11

Orbitters do not need negative mass. I've made one myself, smacks someone up over 4 million meters and doesn't use any negative mass. Energy regen is fairly instant (ie, running at script execution rate or faster) when dealing with tiny prims, the use of negative mass is used for mass calculations along with energy, but its possible to bypass it completely. Just... don't ask how.

Negative mass prims probably do have their uses, but I'm sure theres work arounds for most of them, and they're just over hyped. I also think that since the latest patches you just can't make them anymore (at least using the methods I once knew).

Wanted: Negative Prim/Script
Newfie Pendragon Crusty and proud of it Join date: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,025	07-08-2006 19:37 Hi all: With all the recent hubbub recently about orbital-gun wearing griefers, have been looking into how these negative-mass prims are made. Needless to say, it's not exactly an openly-proclaimed tidbit of info. So to that end I'm taking the offer-em-cash approach To that end, I'm offering the following bounties: 1) $5000L to be given a script (source-code readable) that can create a neg-mass prim, or instructions on how to manually reproduce the effect; OR 2) $2500L for a full-rights copy of a neg-mass prim. I'll give payment only after confirmation that 1) or 2) is the genuine article. Anonymity will be promised if requested. - Newfie _____________________
Interfect Sonic for the win! Join date: 8 Jun 2006 Posts: 2,313	07-08-2006 21:57 I'm not sure a negative-mass prim would be strictly necesary for an orbiter. I think it just regenerates its energy quickly. Although destributing information about such energy sources would be, in my opinion, a good thing. I might use one in my de-orbiter, to better counteract the effects of orbiters. If you get one of these, could you consider sending one my way? If they are necesary for a good orbiter, why not just ask LL to fix the bug in their massing code? That would stop all the orbiting greifers. Interfect
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	07-09-2006 04:59 It is probably no longer possible to make them, most of the objects with screwed up bounding boxes are legacy and cannot be recreated (as bounding box & mass are cached). It seems the new mass equations set the min mass to 0.00100. This is different then how things worked during 1.5 and later releases (where it would give up applying attributes if the mass went negitive and just use the pre screw-up value). I have prims that when they were created back during 1.3 & 1.4 were negitive in mass but now they report as 0.00100 in mass. I won't be passing them along as they violate the size restrictions on prims. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Ayrn Wake Registered User Join date: 7 Jan 2006 Posts: 39	07-09-2006 05:11 Orbitters do not need negative mass. I've made one myself, smacks someone up over 4 million meters and doesn't use any negative mass. Energy regen is fairly instant (ie, running at script execution rate or faster) when dealing with tiny prims, the use of negative mass is used for mass calculations along with energy, but its possible to bypass it completely. Just... don't ask how. Negative mass prims probably do have their uses, but I'm sure theres work arounds for most of them, and they're just over hyped. I also think that since the latest patches you just can't make them anymore (at least using the methods I once knew).

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