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Abeez Cleanslate
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03-02-2007 12:55
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Eddy Stryker
libsecondlife Developer
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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03-02-2007 13:40
You are an idiot. There's nothing wrong, illegal, or unethical with selling open source scripts. Consider it a finders fee for collecting all the scripts and packaging them up together, and if people are willing to pay it there is an obvious value that the seller has discovered.
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Abeez Cleanslate
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03-02-2007 13:45
You are an idiot. There's nothing wrong, illegal, or unethical with selling open source scripts. Consider it a finders fee for collecting all the scripts and packaging them up together, and if people are willing to pay it there is an obvious value that the seller has discovered. Firstly why call me an IDIOT? Now I am going from advise received about users selling Open source scripts. As In "Can a user sell a list of Opensource scripts packaged up, stating they have full resell rights. all scripts are copy, mod and that they are creator. Was the actually a need for you to call me an Idiot? I got advice from SL Live help also about this, and asked if making a post would help.... So why the harsh first comment to me? I am going on advise given...................... And just for the record calling me an Idiot Why? because I am going on advise given, and you feel I am an idiot, look in the dictionary and please explain to me what an Idiot exactly is? Let other users give a more constructive reply. If that is the case as you stated then quite a few users have given me the wrong advise. |
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Abeez Cleanslate
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Join date: 20 Nov 2006
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03-02-2007 14:02
SL ADMIN:
Can you please remove this thread. I don't deserve being called an Idiot on advise given about my original post. (This was advise given from SL Live help and other groups) There for please remove this post, what's the point.......... |
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Korwyn Obscure
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Join date: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 31
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03-02-2007 14:37
Open Source does not mean they're meant to be free. It means when you get them you are free to edit them or modify them cause you have the source.
Even the inventor(s) of Open Source and the GPL have specified that their concepts were NOT to stop people from making money, but promote an openness and allow the end user to modify and change the code in the program to fit their desired environment. And Open Source does not = GPL as it is. A writer/inventor/programmer can do what they want with their scripts/programs even if they open source them. And if they're enough scripts, they could even be used as a primer for how to do certain things. But being open source, only means they're free to modify as you need to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source But people who write code, even if they open it up deserve compensation for their work too. Otherwise open source would DIE. You openly said the man wrote most of the scripts. So you banned him for wanting L$ compensation for his work and giving out his scripts. I won't call you an idiot, but you probably just took a programmer out of the Open Source community by openly chastising him for wanting compensation for his work. Thanks. |
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Abeez Cleanslate
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03-02-2007 14:52
You openly said the man wrote most of the scripts. So you banned him for wanting L$ compensation for his work and giving out his scripts. I won't call you an idiot, but you probably just took a programmer out of the Open Source community by openly chastising him for wanting compensation for his work. Thanks. That's what his first reply was, and his claim for 100 + scripts packaged, so I bought the scripts and found most to be the usual free scripts, from open source writers out there, where we can all get them for free. When I was new. I went to get all freebies. I actually took him off my land for breaking my own rules that being "SELLING OF FREE ITEMS" but alos on the understanding he was advertising freely in floating text, Hundreds of Free open source scripts with full mod, copy, resell....... Like I said all I done was posted here hoping to protect some people and if the advice I was given is tottally wrong, then hey remove the thread and let all users freely sell for profit and gain just peoples scripts............... If users use Open source in there creations hey, I understand that that is fine and to leave full credits to creator. But are we clear then that anyone can package up all free Open source scripts and sell them for profit and gain. I have to say I have the personal right to remove a user if they break what terms they have agreed to on my land that I have set. The user broke quite a few of my terms. The post here was a seperate question, not a debate on why I banned the user. Thank you you input though. But admin I have requested a removal of post this is doing me no good. Just grief I don't need I'm a fraid.... |
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
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03-04-2007 14:49
I give permission for anyone to do anything they want with the scripts I post here in the forums. To try and do anything else is foolish.
Bottom line, if you don't want people to sell/claim your scripts as their own, don't post them. ![]() _____________________
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Abeez Cleanslate
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03-04-2007 15:23
ADMIN CAN YO PLEASE REMOVE
I HAVE REPORTED SENT £ IMS AND THE POST IS STILL HERE GOD DAM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. This serves no purpose at all........... |
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Winter Ventura
Eclectic Randomness
Join date: 18 Jul 2006
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03-04-2007 15:29
I sell one item that is open source. I wrote the script myself.. but because I didn't want the hassle of trying to figure out reading in notecards, it was easier for me to simply make the script moddable, and then comment the hell out of it with instructions. (much like downloadable php, perl, or javascript scipts).
I realized there was a risk associated with doing that (someone could copy my code, and paste it into a new product).. but then I realized that my item was inexpensive, and the models were worth the pricetag alone. It was fun to do, and even though my audience is notorious for being "unable to script" I've sold WELL over 100 of these things, and received only one "help, I can't figure it out" IM. I know that Argent Stonecutter sells his open source work. I'm sure there are others who do as well. _____________________
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Kepster Cure
Paradigm Shifter
Join date: 7 Jan 2006
Posts: 198
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03-04-2007 15:52
Abeez, please don't take this the wrong way....your OVER reacting, what you are describing is completely legal, open source is meant to be just that, a source that is to remain open. Not one rule has been broken, one line been crossed or any other cheesy cliche that I can't think of at the moment. Another thing if you really think that someone from LL is going to spend a second in the forums making you feel better by removing a WORD from a post or a post all together just tickles me to death, I'm sure you'll agree now that you know that nothing illegal is being done by this individual, that the time spent in forums arguing about something that has no merit should be spent creating your own scripts which you can then sell in with no mod's if you choose, in short this is a battle not worth fighting for you, give it up and create something of your own.
I do have to give it to you though it's nice to see someone cares about the hard work others put into creating content ![]() |
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Abeez Cleanslate
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03-04-2007 17:06
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Winter Ventura
Eclectic Randomness
Join date: 18 Jul 2006
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03-04-2007 17:15
I dunno.. L$399 for a "Scripter's Starter Kit", with over 100 open source scripts... that actually sounds like a pretty good price for a pretty good package. That's like a buck fifty in real money.
Definitely gotta give the guy credit for making a reasonable product out of free stuff.. 4 months ago, I would have gladly paid that amount for a pack like this. BUT yes, the OP's dilligence is to be commended as well. _____________________
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ed44 Gupte
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
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03-04-2007 18:13
Hi Abeez,
Naming ppl, or providing such detail that they can be easily edentified, is generally frowned upon in these forums because it can lead to a flaming war where truth and fairness become casualties. Scripting tips is for posting tips and questions about scripting! A more generalized version of this could have been posted in the general answers forum without causing name calling. Nonetheless, you have the right to say what you wish. I notice you are calling on moderators to delete this topic, but you can edit your own posts in this topic. If I were you I would certainly delete my specific reference to this seller's location. Then again, this might be a bonanza for the seller since we all going to spend a dollar fifty for a hundred open scripts! Good value! I do not see problems with selling open source code as long as it is labelled as such. If the seller did not write any of the scripts then he/she should not say that he/she did. A compensating factor might be that the seller actually tested all the scripts. LSL has gone thru many changes and knowing that all scripts work would have made them more valuable. |
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Osgeld Barmy
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03-05-2007 00:09
This serves no purpose at all........... ... ![]() |
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Strife Onizuka
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Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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03-05-2007 18:59
It happens.
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