Greetings fellow scripters...
First, let me apologize for "spamming" this Forum as I know some of you will say, but I beleive the need is relevant enough to do so.
I have created a Group called SL Scripters Union.
I am looking for interested scripters that support the idea that we should form some type of union for our scripts in the SL Metaverse.
Why?
Well, looking at how Land in SL is locked mostly by Anshe or Lindnes and a few other smaller groups, they have set the "price" as far as what most people will consider to be the going rate.
Whichever side of the fence you stand on that matter I am not concerned with, but I can see the need for similar scripting defentions.
I have heard many times that "I am not sure what I should charge for my scripting jobs" from people, and have asked myself the same question from time to time.
I consider myself to be an avid scripter, definatly not one of the "elite" like some of you (will not name names), but as the SL environment, community, and technologies change and grow... I can see the need for setting up some form of union that scripters may wish to either follow, be a part of, or at least refer to considering what their time and efforts are worth to the rest of the SL community.
If nothing else, this group can be 'another' place for scripters to communicate with eachother.
I am looking for some feedback on this, good and bad..and any suggestions or comments that might be constructive.
I know some people 'cringe' at the thought when they hear the word "UNION" but I would like to say that there are no membership fees, no enrollment costs, and I am not looking to make any type of profit from the Group itself, at least not financially.
I can see this as being a good thing that in its infancy, YOU could be a part in shaping the development and growth in making some important desicions that might help to affect the SL scripting community in establishing something a bit more concrete than what is currently available.
Thank you.
~Mitz
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Mitzpatrick Fitzsimmons
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10-18-2005 07:16
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Jesrad Seraph
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10-18-2005 07:39
Whatever you do, I wish you luck with it. And I'll compete against you.
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Shep Korvin
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10-18-2005 08:11
I know some people 'cringe' at the thought when they hear the word "UNION" ...especially when the word you're really looking for is "Cartel".  |
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Luc Aubret
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10-18-2005 08:27
...especially when the word you're really looking for is "Cartel". Now, now. There's no reason to go using inflammatorily appropriate words like "Cartel." I'm sure Mitz meant it as a joke. Right, Mitz? |
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Malachi Petunia
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10-18-2005 08:50
This sounds very much like a trade guild established partly for the puposes of price fixing. I think your venture will likely not succeed for two primary reasons.
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Newfie Pendragon
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10-18-2005 08:59
Agreed - this sounds more like a Scripter's Guild than a Union, per se. The benefits of grouping for purposes of mutual support/etc I'd support, but I have my doubts that one could get enough scripters to group in a size large enough to be able to control pricing value.
Not to mention some of us actually enjoy being the compeition  - Newfie _____________________
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Mitzpatrick Fitzsimmons
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10-18-2005 09:02
...especially when the word you're really looking for is "Cartel". Take your pick...the "Idea" is more important than the Label Union The act of uniting or the state of being united. A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit. Cartel A combination of independent business organizations formed to regulate production, pricing, and marketing of goods by the members. Synonyms affiliation, alliance, bloc, cabal, cahoots, camarilla, cartel, circle, clique, club, coadunation, coalition, combine, compound, confederacy, confederation, conjunction, connection, consolidation, consortium, conspiracy, coterie, faction, federation, gang, guild, hookup, mafia, melding, mergence, merger, merging, partnership, party, pool, ring, set, syndicate, tie-up, trust, unification, union _____________________
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Mitzpatrick Fitzsimmons
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10-18-2005 09:36
Greetings fellow scripters... ... I can see the need for setting up some form of union that scripters may wish to either follow, be a part of, or at least refer to considering what their time and efforts are worth to the rest of the SL community. If nothing else, this group can be 'another' place for scripters to communicate with eachother. It seems that early on I have already gotten some semi-neutral/quasi-negative feedback...which is excellent and greatly appreciated. I just wanted to further enhance my thoughts here and point out that I am all for competition... in fact I am 'counting-on-it'. What better way is there: to 'compete' with a large group/entity/union/whtachamacallit or several hundred/thousand individuals unlinked/ unknown? In effect... my group would serve as an advantage to and asset for the individual scripter working alone, as a reference base for his/her own scripts vs. time/money. But without such an establishment in place, we are still out there running around (and I am referring to only some not all) in the dark, alone, and possibly leaving money on the table when we sell our scripts. You could also, in effect, be a part of the 'union' and working against it at the same time (which may be better motivation for some people to actually support it). My thinking may be abstract, and I quite possibly may have wasted $100L creating a group whos purpose only serves as to defy itself... but the box that we are all trying to think outside of isnt getting smaller. _____________________
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Lit Noir
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10-18-2005 10:47
Well, a guild/union/cartel whatever will have lots of competition issues since there is no overriding authority/government to require said group membership (as sometimes in the real world.) If it started big, then it might be able to wield some market power, but trying to get it big is a near impossibility.
The only immediate way I can see it have a broad market effect is to create kind of a referral/rating service. This can be gamed, hard to start, and a host of other problems, but there may be a value of a central "marketplace" if you will of scripters (though of course not all of them). Course, something like this may already exist (beyond the classified forums, don't want to get it into that debate here). Going the next step and enforcing rate schedules (and the next step, certifying scripters) I think would be a lost cause. benefit for scripters of a centralized bidding place is perhaps greater visibility for them, course, prices become transparent too. But it could have a shot at coexisting alongside a pool of non-market scripters. |
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10-18-2005 11:49
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Eggy Lippmann
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10-18-2005 12:52
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Azrael Baphomet
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10-18-2005 13:12
Greetings fellow scripters... First, let me apologize for "spamming" this Forum as I know some of you will say, but I beleive the need is relevant enough to do so. I have created a Group called SL Scripters Union. I am looking for interested scripters that support the idea that we should form some type of union for our scripts in the SL Metaverse. Why? Well, looking at how Land in SL is locked mostly by Anshe or Lindnes and a few other smaller groups, they have set the "price" as far as what most people will consider to be the going rate. Whichever side of the fence you stand on that matter I am not concerned with, but I can see the need for similar scripting defentions. I have heard many times that "I am not sure what I should charge for my scripting jobs" from people, and have asked myself the same question from time to time. I consider myself to be an avid scripter, definatly not one of the "elite" like some of you (will not name names), but as the SL environment, community, and technologies change and grow... I can see the need for setting up some form of union that scripters may wish to either follow, be a part of, or at least refer to considering what their time and efforts are worth to the rest of the SL community. If nothing else, this group can be 'another' place for scripters to communicate with eachother. I am looking for some feedback on this, good and bad..and any suggestions or comments that might be constructive. I know some people 'cringe' at the thought when they hear the word "UNION" but I would like to say that there are no membership fees, no enrollment costs, and I am not looking to make any type of profit from the Group itself, at least not financially. I can see this as being a good thing that in its infancy, YOU could be a part in shaping the development and growth in making some important desicions that might help to affect the SL scripting community in establishing something a bit more concrete than what is currently available. Thank you. ~Mitz Well, I love unions, and since I'm a leftist and proud of it, I'd be happy to pursue something like this, if you'd elaborate a little just what it is we'd be doing...also what kind of safeguards would you build in to prevent abuse... My concern is that unionization drives are generally beneficial when conditions of exploitation have reached an unacceptable level to the great body of workers. I don't know if that's nearly the case in SL yet. |
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Bertha Horton
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10-18-2005 15:33
In RL I belong to a union, and they help protect my job from a bunch of nasty managers who try to break the workplace rules (which are treated as guidelines too often) and degenerate our rights as human beings.
But in SL, people who do scripting for others would not really benefit from unionization as the union wouldn't give its members anything they didn't have already. Bottom line: If you don't like what you're being paid, change the price yourself! |
