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"mother" key

Ina Centaur
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Join date: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 202
05-01-2007 15:04
I've been tracking visitors to a region, and am getting a mysterious keyless visitor who somehow key2names as "mother".

It's interesting that for a blank key2name on llDetected, the name output is "mother"

I have the relatively low-traffic region set up so that the script would IM me whenever key2name goes to mother. It's actually IM'ed me a couple of times when I'm on, but when I tp there immediately, I find no one there.

Ghost?

Has anyone else encountered such "ghosting"?

How does such "ghosting occur"?
Kenn Nilsson
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Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 897
05-01-2007 15:49
Wow...SL has achieved self-sentience! It's MOTHER!!! :p

Actually...that's really, really interesting...but I have nothing resembling an answer. Sure would be an interesting start to some SL urban legends and could make for the first ever virtual "ghost siting spot"...
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Darien Caldwell
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Join date: 12 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,127
05-01-2007 16:20
well I have a sim radar, and sometimes I notice instead of getting the usual "Joe blow has enterd the sim" message, I'll get "<150.3433,172.2343,320.010> has entered the sim" This myster person only stays for less than a minute before leaving. I wonder if the script's parser is getting confused because the name is empty... Additionally I had someone banned from my parcel by my security system with no name, but it did send me a key. I was going to look the key up but never got around to it. 49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949 wouldnt' happen to be the mystery key would it?
Ina Centaur
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Join date: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 202
05-01-2007 16:50
hmm (fyi) llKey2Name has (no name) on
49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949

interestingly 49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949 is not a new key on what

...

still haven't figured out how someone can display the name "mother" and register as a key-less entity.
Gearsawe Stonecutter
Over there
Join date: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 614
05-01-2007 17:41
hmm very odd.

have a little single item vendor script. so when the money event it triggered it uses the key it returns and fires off an email. But oddly enough it to has returned nothing for a key sometimes. I get the email it send that so and so has bought something but the persons key is not there and their key is blank. Of course when this happens they do not get the object they bought because the key is not returned by the money event when it triggers. This seems kind of related to your problem and is happening more frequently. Your getting weird "mother" key and money events trigger and return nothing for the key. And of course there are times when the money event does not trigger at all but that is old news.
Sys Slade
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Join date: 15 Feb 2007
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05-01-2007 17:49
From: Ina Centaur
hmm (fyi) key2name has (no name) on
49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949
...

still haven't figured out how someone can display the name "mother" and register as a key-less entity.


llKey2Name:
If the object or agent identified by the key 'id is in the same simulator as the object containing the script, this function returns their name. Otherwise, an empty string ("";) is returned. This can be misleading, because it cannot be distinguished from an object with an empty name ("";).

Using llRequestAgentData shows that the key in question does in fact belong to a regular avatar. I wont name the name in here, but it's a perfectly regular name.
Gearsawe Stonecutter
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Join date: 14 Sep 2005
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05-01-2007 17:50
From: Ina Centaur
hmm (fyi) key2name has (no name) on
49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949
...


(fyi)
49b58a2f-58e2-44bb-98b5-731029be9949 does have a name. and she was born on 2006-08-10. key2name only works if the person is the sim.
Ina Centaur
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Join date: 31 Oct 2006
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05-01-2007 19:02
thanks. forgot about that ;-)

but, basically the key2name implementation about for "mother" is done immediately after key detection...
Winter Ventura
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Join date: 18 Jul 2006
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05-01-2007 19:42
considered checking the name2key databases and see if "mother" is listed?
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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05-01-2007 21:03
From: Winter Ventura
considered checking the name2key databases and see if "mother" is listed?



Not on Moopfs (returns -1), and W-Hat validates the name before checking and determines that it is not a valid name.


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Stone Juran
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05-01-2007 22:17
Maybe it can be someone who has modified the SL client to hack the world?
Ina Centaur
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Join date: 31 Oct 2006
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07-19-2007 10:22
up. has anyone else experienced this?
Learjeff Innis
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07-19-2007 10:57
Ina, find out what the key is that returns "mother" and let us know.
Tiarnalalon Sismondi
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07-19-2007 12:49
While I find this interesting, I would wonder if perhaps this keyless "mother" weren't some strange effect of someone who either cancels a TP in progress, or crashes before they finish loading into the sim. I'm sure everyone here knows that you actually 'appear' to others before your PC shows you have.

This would have the effect you described whereby you cannot catch "mother" as they were only there long enough to set off your bot that someone was there. Why it would not be able to grab their key and also name them mother, I cannot say unless that is some default state that LL uses to quantify a blank AV to the server before it could load them fully onto that block of the grid.

Special characters belonging to other languages not found in your standard english charmaps could also appear blank...though a key should always just be english letters and numbers as far as I'm aware.
Shadow Subagja
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Join date: 29 Apr 2007
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07-19-2007 13:25
maybe its a linden in some special mode.
maybe 'mother' is some sort of error value "m_other" or some such?
Meade Paravane
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07-19-2007 13:50
Maybe it's a special breed of hippo?
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Zen Zeddmore
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07-19-2007 18:22
Just an observation in the "order of appearence dept"
someone tping to where i am...
1st alert AV detected and named by TP's multigedget
2nd event AV shows up on "minimap"
somelong time later AV appears in world.
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Abyssin Otoro
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07-19-2007 23:17
From: Ina Centaur
I've been tracking visitors to a region, and am getting a mysterious keyless visitor who somehow key2names as "mother".

It's interesting that for a blank key2name on llDetected, the name output is "mother"


Are you sure the *key* is null?
The reason I ask is that if the key is null, then any output like that is very strange (you get an empty string returned if the input is bad, such as null).

What that does sound like though, is an object, rather than an avatar. ;)
It sounds like there is at least one place in your script(s) where it is picking up any object, rather than just avatars (when I came across it, it was with forgetting to check one llVolumeDetect call ).