Second Life Forums Archive - Fun with hardware lighting, Take 2

Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

04-01-2006 06:06

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PetGirl Bergman

Fellow Creature:-)

Join date: 16 Feb 2005

Posts: 2,414

04-01-2006 06:10

Nice colour that (close to) PINK one

))

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Pls Torley - tell me more about what you call hardware lighting???

How is it done.. and with what and.. yes I am curios.. want to learn - please...share...

/Tina

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Pyrii Akula

NO PANTS!

Join date: 25 Nov 2005

Posts: 187

04-01-2006 07:36

It's just basic vertex-based lighting. Unreal engine has dynamic lighting, but most lighting in Unreal games at the moment are baked and saved into the map as compressed textures. I thinkt he same goes for other games. Something SL can't do because of how dynamic it is, so you just get "hardware" lighting.

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

04-01-2006 07:45

Is that the new implimentation?

Tod69 Talamasca

The Human Tripod ;)

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,107

04-01-2006 08:24

Ooooo! Pretty!!

Unfortunately, even on my system, Hardware Lighting is a big FPS killer.

Now if we can only get LL to implement HDRI, Radiosity, caustic lighting....

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Ketra Saarinen

Whitelock 'Yena-gal

Join date: 1 Feb 2006

Posts: 676

04-02-2006 13:00

Devs correct me if I'm wrong, but.. Isn't the "Local Lighting" in SL currently a software-based solution?

I think I read a statement from a Linden somewhere that they are implmenting Hardware Lighting in the near future. If so, that will make "Local Lighting" practically free, as the hardware specifically designed to handle it has been unused in SL.

Hardware lighting (called T&L for Transform and Lighting) was added to 3D video cards a long long time ago (With the first GeForce, IIRC). Sl does not take advantage of this feature or many other advanced rendering technologies which is why it has such performance issues.

Moving to Hardware T&L should help SL a lot! 'Glow' objects should throw light better, and "Local Lighting" will probabaly become a standard for a lot of people. We'll see how LL implements this, but as you can see from Torleys' picture, it can have some great effects. Imagine your favorite club in SL and all the lighting actually DOING something.

Osprey Therian

I want capslocklock

Join date: 6 Jul 2004

Posts: 5,049

04-02-2006 13:55

This is going to be great

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Gattz Gilman

Banned from RealLife :/

Join date: 29 Feb 2004

Posts: 316

04-05-2006 13:24

It is Hardware lighting, like torley said. Ben Linden posted a video on his blog, and seems that it might be coming out v1.9.1

but thats just a guess from what it showed in the video.

For the people who dont know what the new lighting will do, here is a little explenation: The current local lighting is all calculated by the CPU, so it makes things go real slow. But with the new local lighting, its calculated by the videocard, which doesnt slow things down as much, and everything looks GREAT!

EDIT: Just found Torley's video of the Hardware Lighting and Flexy Prims

BTW Torley, I loved the video

looking forward to the new local lighting

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Kai Prevost

Registered User

Join date: 5 Apr 2006

Posts: 1

Nice

04-06-2006 11:01

Love the sneak preview... just one question...

When.?

Is there a date picked out just yet.?

Snakekiss Noir

japanese designer

Join date: 9 Dec 2003

Posts: 334

soon we hope

04-06-2006 13:12

great idea since 1,7 i have been unable to use local lighting and my sims look dark and lesser quality and the effects I created are wasted... bring this soon... as local lighting is now unusable

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Whatever happened to Important Basic Feature Improvements including improving the outdated 5 year old AV Body Appearance system to Poser standard?

What happened to the 'see for miles' graphical visions we were shown of Havok Engine? Instead we got moral crusades to please American businesses.

OPPOSE LOCAL TAXES ON VIRTUAL WORLDS !!

THE BRAVE NEW WORLD HAS BECOME A BIG NEW SHOP

Talila Liu

Micro Builder

Join date: 29 Jan 2004

Posts: 132

04-08-2006 23:31

From: Kai Prevost

Love the sneak preview... just one question...

When.?

Is there a date picked out just yet.?

1.91

Only hint

Michal Milosz

Amateur Piercer

Join date: 22 Oct 2005

Posts: 73

04-17-2006 10:41

Hardware lighting = AWESOMENESS. Five minutes til grid restart, I'll go and hook the hardware lights all over Miramare.

Although I seem to have some gripes like the lights disappearing if not moved... I guess that's fixable.

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Michal Milosz
The New Guy. *whip crack*

Fun with hardware lighting, Take 2
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	04-01-2006 06:06 _____________________
PetGirl Bergman Fellow Creature:-) Join date: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,414	04-01-2006 06:10 Nice colour that (close to) PINK one)) ***** Pls Torley - tell me more about what you call hardware lighting??? How is it done.. and with what and.. yes I am curios.. want to learn - please...share... /Tina _____________________
Pyrii Akula NO PANTS! Join date: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 187	04-01-2006 07:36 It's just basic vertex-based lighting. Unreal engine has dynamic lighting, but most lighting in Unreal games at the moment are baked and saved into the map as compressed textures. I thinkt he same goes for other games. Something SL can't do because of how dynamic it is, so you just get "hardware" lighting.
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	04-01-2006 07:45 Is that the new implimentation?
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	04-01-2006 08:24 Ooooo! Pretty!! Unfortunately, even on my system, Hardware Lighting is a big FPS killer. Now if we can only get LL to implement HDRI, Radiosity, caustic lighting.... _____________________ really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
Ketra Saarinen Whitelock 'Yena-gal Join date: 1 Feb 2006 Posts: 676	04-02-2006 13:00 Devs correct me if I'm wrong, but.. Isn't the "Local Lighting" in SL currently a software-based solution? I think I read a statement from a Linden somewhere that they are implmenting Hardware Lighting in the near future. If so, that will make "Local Lighting" practically free, as the hardware specifically designed to handle it has been unused in SL. Hardware lighting (called T&L for Transform and Lighting) was added to 3D video cards a long long time ago (With the first GeForce, IIRC). Sl does not take advantage of this feature or many other advanced rendering technologies which is why it has such performance issues. Moving to Hardware T&L should help SL a lot! 'Glow' objects should throw light better, and "Local Lighting" will probabaly become a standard for a lot of people. We'll see how LL implements this, but as you can see from Torleys' picture, it can have some great effects. Imagine your favorite club in SL and all the lighting actually DOING something.
Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	04-02-2006 13:55 This is going to be great _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Gattz Gilman Banned from RealLife :/ Join date: 29 Feb 2004 Posts: 316	04-05-2006 13:24 It is Hardware lighting, like torley said. Ben Linden posted a video on his blog, and seems that it might be coming out v1.9.1 but thats just a guess from what it showed in the video. For the people who dont know what the new lighting will do, here is a little explenation: The current local lighting is all calculated by the CPU, so it makes things go real slow. But with the new local lighting, its calculated by the videocard, which doesnt slow things down as much, and everything looks GREAT! EDIT: Just found Torley's video of the Hardware Lighting and Flexy Prims BTW Torley, I loved the video looking forward to the new local lighting _____________________
Kai Prevost Registered User Join date: 5 Apr 2006 Posts: 1	Nice 04-06-2006 11:01 Love the sneak preview... just one question... When.? Is there a date picked out just yet.?
Snakekiss Noir japanese designer Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 334	soon we hope 04-06-2006 13:12 great idea since 1,7 i have been unable to use local lighting and my sims look dark and lesser quality and the effects I created are wasted... bring this soon... as local lighting is now unusable _____________________ Whatever happened to Important Basic Feature Improvements including improving the outdated 5 year old AV Body Appearance system to Poser standard? What happened to the 'see for miles' graphical visions we were shown of Havok Engine? Instead we got moral crusades to please American businesses. OPPOSE LOCAL TAXES ON VIRTUAL WORLDS !! THE BRAVE NEW WORLD HAS BECOME A BIG NEW SHOP
Talila Liu Micro Builder Join date: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 132	04-08-2006 23:31 From: Kai Prevost Love the sneak preview... just one question... When.? Is there a date picked out just yet.? 1.91 Only hint
Michal Milosz Amateur Piercer Join date: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 73	04-17-2006 10:41 Hardware lighting = AWESOMENESS. Five minutes til grid restart, I'll go and hook the hardware lights all over Miramare. Although I seem to have some gripes like the lights disappearing if not moved... I guess that's fixable. _____________________ Michal Milosz The New Guy. whip crack

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