Spear anims wanted

Hi


I'm looking for full perm Spear anims,

standing stance and fighting stance

L$ waiting

For full perms you'll probably need to hire an animator to make it for you exclusively and pay around US$50 an hour or more. The animations being sold in sl are not full perm because then whoever buys it could either sell it at their store or even just give it away to everybody.

drop me an IM in game on this.... I may be able to take this on depending on your time frame.

not sure what planet you live on but this is SL not RL, if you want to earn RL money
get a RL job.

i know that sounds harsh but its realistic, dont you think if it was that proffitable everyone would be downloading one of the free animation programs from this forum and making them themselfs and selling them ?, its different than scripting you dont need to learn a language you just workout how to use a program which most are intuitive to use.

i'm not knocking animators at all they can make anims that are 100X better than mine in a fraction pf the time which is why i'm happy to pay for them.

Actually, Animation is a skill (and a high paying one) as well as an art form. It takes quite considerable time to do it correctly.

If you want it 100X better than what you could do, then be prepared to pay for it. Especially if its going to be Full Perms.

were talking about making animations for SL, i have made about 5 or 6 animations each took me about 30 mins using a free program i had never used before, its not rocket science, anyone that downloads Avimator from here http://www.avimator.com/ or one of the other free programs can make an anim and load it in to SL within 10 mins ,
so why would i pay $50US for something they could do in 10 mins ?

as i said i would rather pay someone L$ for something they can do better than me.

and i said they can make animations 100x better than me,
doesnt mean they all do does it ?

The idea is YOU have FULL Permissions as in "You can sell it all you want and profit from it". THAT is the reason they quoted a price.

People make a REAL living doing these animations. Do you think it's going to be cheap?? Copies are cheap. The Original costs. And the higher quality animators also seem to have access to Motion Capture suits. I dont think they spent $10k or more on these systems just to entertain the masses.

Another way of looking at it: Would you take cookies instead of a paycheck for a 40 hr work week? No money. Just cookies. All your hard work and effort (including education to get where you are), no matter how minimal, is worth some chocolate chip cookies.

im fully aware of what full perms means lol

we are talking about different worlds Tod
i dont want super duper really inticate anims that can only be made by experienced
animators, i just need basic 2 or 3 frame poses, if you think thats worth $50US / L$13,000
then you are sadly mistaken

since making this thread i have had 3 offers to make the anims i want
full perms for between 300L - 450L each, creator keeps the right to resell.

I am shocked and amazed. If this is your attitude about content creators of any variety, remind me to never create anything for you. For $50 USD per hour, 10 minutes of work != $50 USD either. Lrn2math, kthx.

sorry didnt understand that part


PS: Ohh a quick reminder never create anything for me

Oh sorry, I'll spell it out more clearly.

$50 per hour does not equal $50 for 10 minutes of work. If animating is such a small task though, you should be doing them yourself, particularly after what you've said in this thread has come off sounding like nothing in SL requires thought, talent, and skills unless it's scripting. And you fail to understand that although the animations you're requesting are indeed simple ones, you're not just buying the animations. You're asking to buy full permissions, so that means you'd be buying the animator's time creating something just for you that he will not sell afterwards. Once something is released to a stranger with full permissions, it is gone (completely open to the public) as far as the creator is concerned. When it comes down to it, you shouldn't be making snarky remarks and insulting anyone for requiring payment for their time given solely to your wants and needs, no matter what their area of expertise is. Their time is worth an amount equal to or greater than what they would gain working on their own things during that time rather than putting their projects on pause for you.

Why don't you go to the clothing forum and ask them to make you some clothing with full perm so you can sell that too? All they do is use a drawing program, so it shouldn't be a big deal. You can even get free drawing programs!

Then good. I hope it works out well for you. Nice. I can say this: They are better people than I am. There is no way in hell I'd do a custom with full perms, for near normal average cost price of a good animation without full perms.

Now you'll have full perm anims to give out for free while the creator can sell them.
You have the right to sell them for less than the creator....
Use them in whatever you want.

Essentially... you're looking to have the ability to cut the creator's throat at any given moment. That's why most people will ask for more than 5,000 unless they have a reason to make those anims for their own sale or use.

*shrug* More power to you. Keep the names of those people. Cause a lot of other animators won't do that.

[cut] * yawn * [/cut]


full perms = mod copy transfer

where did i state i wanted sole resell rights ?

also you shouldn't jump in without knowing the full facts, with one of the " animators " i struck a deal with i have the right to distribute the anims in my prouducts as copy only and not sell / redistribute seperately, so you are wrong about them being released to the public.

i can make all the snarky remarks i want, freedom of speech was the last i heard ?






you think that this never goes on in SL ?
peopel are ALWAYS selling and buying full perm content of anykind, open your eyes search classifieds now and then.

and your right it isnt a big deal, download the software learn to use it and sell what you make.
if creators would perfer to sell there content full perm for what ever price they see fit then
thats up to them isnt it ?

see my above post, especially this part



full perms = mod copy transfer

where did i state i wanted sole resell rights ?

also you shouldn't jump in without knowing the full facts, with one of the " animators " i struck a deal with i have the right to distribute the anims in my prouducts as copy only and not sell / redistribute seperately, so you are wrong about them being released to the public.

1.) Where did I accuse you of that? - Or was I making a general example to you giving the risks? You chose to take that as an attack? My, my, aren't *we* sensitive.

2.) You shouldn't post in a public forum if you don't want people telling you what you don't want to hear.

3.) People do buy full perm items on average for a hell of a lot more than what you were offering.

4.)
Thanks for giving us the heads up on still having that right.
Trying to stick with punctuation, capitalization, and grammar tend to work better when trying to make someone else look like the asshole. Try it sometime.

5.) It'll cost you more than the amount of those anims to defend yourself or enforce that "agreement" that you and the creator made should anything happen.

6.)
Context and comprehension are required in order to communicate correctly.
Selective quoting still doesn't back your point.

And with gratitude to your pointing out free speech and how we should use it to communicate with you so you stop trolling: Next time read the entire post, or fuck off.

7.)

Well shit... I think you just hit the nail on the head.

Most people do that and choose not to fill your request with the given amount.
They tell you why they disagree, simply because of the risk.
You get defensive for no apparent reason other than the majority isn't kissing your ass and loving your idea. Then in a long winded roundabout way tell them to fuck off.
They're still right.
You admit to realizing the point.
Then you comment that you can say what you want and be rude because of free speech and that they're still wrong.


For some reason... Especially after you literally cut one word out of my post to try to argue with me when I wasn't arguing or attacking you. Only disagreeing.

That looks a lot like trolling to me.

How about you grab yourself a nice little copy of Avimator or QAvimator, DAZ... or get your hands on Poser... And spend your time a little more usefully than you're doing in this thread and make the next damn set of custom anims yourself.


8.) Did you get the spear anims?
Did you find someone to make them for the price you listed?

If so, then according to my right to free speech (per your defensive epiphany) at this point you should drop it. You got what you wanted. We're never going to agree with you, not matter how much of an asshole you try to make everyone. You got what you wanted, now leave the rest of us alone, let this thread die and just fuck off.

Your input isn't constructive anymore. You clearly wouldn't know constructive it it smached you in the face with a bat, but how would I know. You turned one word in my post into an attack.

Suggestion: Psych meds will help you with the paranoia that we're all out to get you. Thereapy will help you with the lack of self esteem to the point that you're saying the word "cut" is forbidden because it contradicts your opinion and therefore somehow hurts and/or deflates your ego.

Go ahead... you can have the last words.
My bets are on the fact that you'll in some way shape or form swear back, repeat yourself again, or both.
Which is why I'm done here.
You've got nothing new to say.

i started reading your above reply Issues's and got a few lines in and skipped the rest, its clear you cant hold a decent conversation and have to resort to finding petty faults in grammer and punctuation to add ammo to your argument or you wouldnt of bothered remarking about it, i'm not lowering myself to your level.

if you cant handle different peoples oppinions on these forums maybe you shouldnt post
on them instead of being petty and swearing ?

You want to have a decent discussion?!

I've got a pretty good history on the forums of not having to lower myself to the level of others to communicate. Search can attest to that.

I'm all for it if you are?

of course i am i'm not going anywhere

To clarify I wasn't saying *you* would take advantage. But most people do turn around and cut a builder, animator, or scripters throat. It's not anyone's fault but those people. And realistically there are a lot of them in SL.

To be honest most people also don't charge 50 USD an hour for customs from what I've found unless you're looking to have one of the best anims in SL. Most people realize it's a little digital movement and not worth that much on the regular.

It's just the fact that I and others have run into this problem: (Example)

You (Or Person A... ) ask me for the spear anims with full perms while we agree that I maintain selling rights. When the anims are dropped into the object, you forget to set the perms correctly. I decided to sell the anims/poses in the meantime. Next thing you and I both know is that the animations are starting to pop up. As freebies, in other objects with no perms, etc... People are selling it thinking it's a freebie. It's not always about screwing the creator. If the creator does it, then it's their mistake. But, how does the creator know you honestly didn't intend for the anims to get out like that?

I've gone that step and done it for less with the agreement that it's not to be resold by me or the other. Next thing I see... it's being resold. And realistically it'll cost me more to go after them beyond reporting it and filing a DCMA. Which is another reason some animators will charge you a steep price. At least they walk away with a good deposit in their pocket, should something happen. That is one of many risks that the creators take. When it' their own risk there is no one to answer to. But if it gets out the fast and quick assumption is that the requestor 'gave' it away. It's happened.

That's why most creators ask for a higher price when it comes to customs. You could turn around and build the next best thing to tringo in SL using the anims. We'd like a little bit of a cut. But also know that we're more likely to get it upfront than gradually. Mostly it's trying to protect content creation and get a decent amount for the work. The time it takes. Yeah, some simple poses are faster than others to make. But it still takes a lot of time. You're not wrong to ask if anyone would do it for you.... Just most won't because it's too risky in terms of not just protecting their interests but yours as well.

Personally if I charge someone over 1k - 5k for a custom anim or pose, it's not going to be resold by me and full perms for a little more. It also depends upon the time and how complex. Not meaning complex sounding, but to get the anim just right. Some of the 'simplest' poses and anims sometimes take longer than the high action 300 frame animations. With animations you can get away with it once ina while not being exact because the movement is to fast for most to catch it. Poses usually are quicker and less work but the good poses take time.

At the same time that person paying the 1k -5k takes a risk in the fact that I will hold up my end of that agreement. Which is where I am always cautious about agreements to the point that I can be rigid and inflexible. I don't want the headache. But some creators don't give a damn and state that they created it and therefore it wasn't a legal and binding agreement. They bank on the fact that most will not go after them because it's too costly. And we will just skip over reporting things to LL and how well that has been known to work. Role reversal, some requestors do the same.

Flipside with selling rights is that we sell it for less to the requestor and it becomes like a plague. The client still gets the anim, as does everyone else. We took that time and effort and walk away short changed with a anim/pose that odds are.. we're not going to have a use for. Creators want their clients (you) to be happy but also usually won't invest their own time into a requested custom for a low cost unless they want it too.

But as I said... some people are better people than I am. Take note of those people. They're the ones to go to.

Customs are a jaded system. Some people charge less, others charge outragous prices. Somewhere in the middle is everyone else. IMO it's really on a case by case basis. Declaring 25 an hour across the board isn't fair to the person who just wants to sit on the ground as opposed to the person who wants the equivelant to the reinactment of the civil war.

So when posts like this come up, people speak their mind. Some jump to help and others explain why they wouldn't touch the request with a ten foot pole. Granted it might not be put in the most articulate way... Don't take it personal.

If you got what you needed, that's what counts. In the future if you want something more complex don't be suprised if people ask for a lot more if you have the same requirements.

Greetings, I make warrior anims in world, I guess i could make you some up. Send me a note card detailing exactly what you want and I will quote you. Usually 5KL$ for a full perm anim.

Regards

Carl Temin

i know what you mean about the anims finding there way out to SL when peopel forget to set perms, a classic example i just quoted somewhere else on this forum is a guy that sells copy trans collar scripts, he made them and sells them himself for 2.5K yet pretty much everywhere you go in SL you will find his scripts being resold in collars and i'm sure %90 of them dont have resell rights amd hes loosing out on sales because of it.

i paid 15K for my collar scripts then found out they have a design fault so cant use them and the scripter left SL

i already have one full perm spear anims that have been given to me by freinds that know i'm looking for them, but i dont have resell rights so they will stay in my INV.

i had a few IM's from peopel wanting spear anims sooooo
if anyone else looking for spear anims and cant find them try Happy Bedlam or phantom chaos

Nice for value.