Poser changing the frames?

I don't know if this has been discussed before.. did a search but didn't find anything relevant. Maybe I'm just half asleep. Anyways...

Currently I'm doing a series of animations that are all 120 frames long. I key frame every 10 frames or so, sometimes 5 if I need to. Basically all the important moves. Every single bloody time I get to the end and go back to clean up the between bits, poser has changed the frames that I have already done. To the point of legs going out in rather painful looking directions, legs rotated in odd directions, and bits of the body going through each other.

Frame one is the "normal" pose. Spline broken. Inverse kenetics turned off and never bothered with again. I only use the paramater dials, never grabbing and manually moving anything. It's as if some parts of the key frames stay there, but other parts just don't. I check in the graphs to make sure it had been key framed, and yes it had...Although instead of a fluid motion that I had done, its rather off the wall jumpy. Poser didn't seem to like where I put things.

I end up having to go back and clean those up, only to have it sometimes happen again after I've cleaned up the in between frames. Which is rather annoying to view it when you think you are done but the legs decided to turn and go into each other instead of taking a step.

Until this project, I've never seen poser do this. Yet I'm not doing anything different with how I go about using this horribly annoying program.

Any ideas?

You need to learn and know which keyframe to break spline. I can't tell it because it depends on your animations. If you want to get an easy solution to avoid their unexpected movements, break spline of all keyframes.

I thought breaking the spline was for the inbetween keyframes going out of whack. I have tried breaking the spline on all keyframes but it didn't seem to do any good.

Sorry reread my post and don't know if it was clear, was at work on about 3 hours sleep.

Its the actual keyframes that I have made that poser decides to change. Also it's only on the male figure and only in "his" legs. The female side does far more spinning and movements, but the key frames actually stick to where I put them. Also I have one where the male basically stands there and spins the woman. Still "his" keyframes get scewed and "hers" do not.

Currently the keyframes have been twisted and skewed but the inbetween keyframes seem to flow correctly into that weird stance. I have played around previously with breaking the spline in different places, but there is no change.

Luth, anyway, sleep well.

You said, "Its the actual keyframes that I have made that poser decides to change.", that is, for example, I presume you set the foot x-rotation 30 degrees on the 50th frame but you would find it changed such as 40 degrees after setting all frame? Odd. I want to see such a data.

Ok.. how would you like the data?

This is how much it changed it.

Frame 28 - The Parameters I set for the keyframe:
Left Thigh: Left Shin
Yrotate: -1 Yrotate: 9
Zrotate: -2 Zrotate: -9
Xrotate: 17 Xrotate: 2

I work some more and at the end poser has changed that same keyframe to:
Left Thigh: Left Shin:
Yrotate: 26 Yrotate: -10
Zrotate: 21 Zrotate: -35
Xrotate: 26 Xrotate: -10

And it only seems to change about the first half of the animation including frame 1 which i dont ever change to begin with. I started writing down the parameters when I keyframe, only for the male's legs because if i save the good version and copy the keyframes over, it just makes it more skewed. But if I manually enter it in for each keyframe it'll stay that way. Well.. sometimes I do have to go back and enter it in again.

This entire thing seems to be random. It doesn't always change it the same amount. Also sometimes its at the end when it changes them and sometimes in before that. One animation it only change 3 keyframes and I was delighted. Like I had said before it just started doing this with this series of animations... 9 done so far.

First off, you have to start from frame 2. And you said you set keyframes every 10 frame. So are your keyframes 1, 2, 10, 20, 30, 40 and so on, aren't they? Or, 1, 2, 12, 22, 32, 42 and so on? I can't figure out why you talked about frame 28 at all. Did you say your frame 1's value change? Frame 1's value must be all 0 except sizes. So what value did the left shin change from 0 to?
What I wanted to know like that...

Frame 1 : I didn't do anything. default T-Pose.

Frame 2 : This is the first frame of this animation. Set keyframe as
Left Thigh: Left Shin
Yrotate: -1 Yrotate: 9
Zrotate: -2 Zrotate: -9
Xrotate: 17 Xrotate: 2

Frame 10 : This is the middle of frame of this animation. Set keyframe as
Left Thigh: Left Shin:
Yrotate: 26 Yrotate: -10
Zrotate: 21 Zrotate: -35
Xrotate: 26 Xrotate: -10

Frame 20 : This is the last frame of this animaiton. Copied frame 2.

But after that, the firast frame's T-Pose broke up. Frame 1 's value became
Left Thigh: Left Shin
Yrotate: -1 Yrotate: 2
Zrotate: -1 Zrotate: -3
Xrotate: 4 Xrotate: 1

Besides, frame 2 also changed and became
Left Thigh: Left Shin
Yrotate: -1 Yrotate: 4
Zrotate: -3 Zrotate: -8
Xrotate: 7 Xrotate: 2

....

You mean like that? If so, make sure if they really change when you delete the last frame again. I've not ever experienced it though.

Hit upon an idea while I wrote above.
Didn't you release Inversekinetics while you were creating halfway?
It is different value of the legs between holding and releasing IK.
I thought you turned off IK form first though...

Ok.. answers for you. I keyframe every 10 frames or so. sometimes 8 sometimes 9 sometimes 11. It depends on the timing. I am currently making a series of swing dancing animations in which sometimes the male's steps are shorter then 10 frames. Since he is the lead I go with that. Also I have found that if you make every step x number of frames it looks un natural. I really only gave that example because it's the only data I had saved.

Yes it does change the value on frame 1.. here is an example of one of them:
Left Thigh: Left Shin:
Yrotate: -1 Yrotate: 3
Zrotate: -6 Zrotate: 13
Xrotate: -11 Xrotate: 20

As for coping frame 2 I don't copy the entire frame because of the amount of spins. I have to manually set the hips correctly else they do an extra spin at the end. but this will happen before I ever get to that part.

Yes I turned off IK in the begging. I don't like what it does. May make setting the key frames easier, but sure does give a lot more hassle in the end.

hmm... very odd. Can you give me a sample? It is alright that it is not your entire animation. What I want to do is repeat your changing frame value. So it is the best if you have me to upload the both before changing and after changeing animations. Or upload just before changing one and tell me which I should tweak to get such a changing value.

K. It'll have to be til I make a new one because i don't have any complete before and after ones. I'll post it when I do.

Cheers