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U-Poser Update DEMO

Nalates Urriah
D'ni Refugee
Join date: 11 Mar 2008
Posts: 113
06-25-2008 13:05
Hi Gearsawe,
I'm fairly new to SL and I'm learning my way around. I found your U-Poser and started playing with the DEMO. I'm very impressed with what you have done. With the little LSL coding I've done, I am actually overwhelmed.

I’m starting this thread to see what you are doing with your DEMO version and may be see what experience others are having with the demo. Plus I have some suggestions and comments from my experience.

I think I have the version just before your latest update. The one from a couple of weeks ago.

So, far I have only been able to start to adjust it to an AV. At first I thought something was wrong because the mannequin keep disappearing. The note card said something about 100 adjustments. (who reads the instructions that well... sorry) I didn’t think I had gotten anywhere near that many and poof. So I was checking group rights and trying in sandbox... bla bla bla... I’m really not blond. Still I got the idea of how things work. It is way cool.

My suggestion is to explain the demo a bit differently. Tell me that 100 adjustments come quickly, like one or two minutes. I never had time to work through the tutorial/instructions. Let me know I can’t with the DEMO. It probably seems obvious to you but I’m NEW.

I also wonder if a vend script could adjust a timeout for the demo. Say 24 hours. If the SAVE feature was disabled in the demo I think that would protect your interests and give me time to try it out. Or maybe do one save and have an actual pose, which then disables the demo. I understand you have people coming back trying to get another demo and make another free pose. Yeah, we are like that... But may be the demo could erase the AV size files or refuse to use any file prior to its vend date... something that makes using it a lot of extra work.

Your idea on rental is good but I think you would have to solve many of the same problems with a timed demo. You will ultimately figure out what is the easiest for you to code.

How about a rent to buy... Bump up the price for that option. But it might get more people buying. I’m saving up Lindens now... er... the $ kind.

I would like to see what other suggestions people may have. Beyond just ‘gimme it for free’. Lol – I do hope you consider allowing a free pose and can work that out. There is nothing like the excitement of ‘I made that!’ for word of mouth advertising.

I have been burned by so many SL gadgets that have serious flaws and limitations I really want to test things out. There is an easy, for you, solution to some of that sales resistance. If I had seen the comments I am seeing in the forum, I would have been much more inclined to but it. So, you might include a link to one of these threads in the demo note card. You might bribe one of us to start a review thread (actually you can start it and save the bribe – I’m teasing). What I see here in the forum means more to me that the hype I read at the SL-Exchange or on web sites. Include a link to that in a note card. Suggest people put their comments, good and bad, in the thread. There is some risk but so far I think you are going to get lots of good reviews.

I’m deciding if I want U-Poser or will use Blender for animations or use both. It looks more like both. So, in that line of thought... more info on how U-Poser works with Blender in your promo material could help sales. I’m sure there are several of us that would help out if you’re not into Blender.

My big question is does the size info transfer to blender or other 3rd party programs? I’m not sure what is in the bvh file. (I’m new). Will it then transfer back to SL if the poses are used to animate in something like Blender?

Thanks for your effort and I hope you sell loads of U-Poser's.
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Nalates Urriah
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Join date: 6 Jun 2007
Posts: 666
06-25-2008 13:55
I have owned U-Poser for a few weeks now and love it. In fact, I am testing the new version for Gearsawe.

But I do remember having difficulty while trying the demo. It took a little while to get used to it and the mannequin would disappear before I got anything accomplished. I would not have minded having Save disabled on the Demo, but give more time to play with the mannequin, maybe an hour?

One of the great things about Gearsawe is that he listens to his customers, which is often not the case with product developers. When I initially had problems making couples poses, Gearsawe suggested that I place two HUDS on screen at once to control two separate mannequins. It was a brilliant idea and has made my work so much better.

As far as Blender goes, I have not used it. I made my first 180+ poses using QAvimator. I now use QAvimator and U-Poser together. All my couples poses are made with U-Poser, while I switch back and forth for solo poses.

Some friendly advice: if you ever get the new version of U-Poser and are going to size your own avatar, make sure you are alone, check your dignity at the door, and get on it naked. It is much easier to size it that way, and it still took me about an hour to get it right.

As far as I'm concerned, if poses are part of your business, U-Poser should be in your toolbox.

Cheree
Gearsawe Stonecutter
Over there
Join date: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 614
06-25-2008 16:46
Ah the much overlooked Demo. The demo side was sort of thrown together. And it has been over a year since the last time I touched the code in it. Since a year I have learned alot more and LL has introduce some new bugs into it. Which is why I am spending so much time on it now. Such as some button turning solid black in 1.19 SL viewer dealing with Nvidia cards. I'm sure some people dropped it in the trash when that happen to them I have gotten 4 complaint from people about this SL bug in the past month. which I am happy to say is fixed in the SL 1.20 viewer.

I would like to make a better demo version. Maybe making it so you can only pose the upper half of the body. Disable the legs and that be the only disabled thing. That might be pretty easy to implement. remove the buttons from the HUD and or putting prims over them with DEMO written on them that when click gives you a note card explaining what the demo can or cannot do.

From: Nalates Urriah
Hi Gearsawe,
I’m deciding if I want U-Poser or will use Blender for animations or use both. It looks more like both. So, in that line of thought... more info on how U-Poser works with Blender in your promo material could help sales. I’m sure there are several of us that would help out if you’re not into Blender.

My big question is does the size info transfer to blender or other 3rd party programs? I’m not sure what is in the bvh file. (I’m new). Will it then transfer back to SL if the poses are used to animate in something like Blender? .


as for your questions Size data is not stored in the BVH file. only rotational data. hence why some animations do not work well between all Avatar shapes.

I have often thought about how to setup a rental or pay for usage and if you pay the full amount you own it then. It just became a night mare for me to setup. setting up a data base to track everything well just became another whole job to manage
Dnali Anabuki
Still Crazy
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,633
06-26-2008 09:47
I just bought the U-Poser yesterday. I'm amazed that someone could actually make such a thing and its perfect for my sort of very visual brain.

Is there a way to keep up with possible updates?
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Briana Dawson
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Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
06-26-2008 10:27
Can you make animations with U-Poser or only poses?
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Nalates Urriah
D'ni Refugee
Join date: 11 Mar 2008
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06-26-2008 11:30
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I have often thought about how to setup a rental or pay for usage and if you pay the full amount you own it then. It just became a night mare for me to setup. setting up a data base to track everything well just became another whole job to manage


:eek: Oh yikes. I did not think of that part of a rent to buy. I would rather you spent your time on U-Poser, for whatever my opinion is worth..

Disabling arms or legs would not be a bad choice for the demo. More play time to a maniquin poof is a big thing for me.

Thanks for U-Poser and your answer on bvh not holding size info. :cool:
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Nalates Urriah
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Gearsawe Stonecutter
Over there
Join date: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 614
06-26-2008 19:38
From: Briana Dawson
Can you make animations with U-Poser or only poses?

You can make animations. Though not easily it involves making many poses and pasting them into a BVH. This is something I am trying to improve on. I would do simple things that would not take many key frames. Simple things like riding a bike with pedal animation. Washing hands at a sink.

doing something like a sword fight between two people would be kind of crazy but would not say it could not be done but I would have to ask the person are you okay?