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Coma Vaughan

Registered User

Join date: 14 Dec 2005

Posts: 1

06-15-2007 08:20

The new chat history just doesn't work for me. I keep my chat history on most of the time, so that I"m not having to constantly watch the screen to keep up with conversations. Under the new system, chat history takes up WAY too much screen real estate. The top section needs to be either scaleable or removeable.

Ceera Murakami

Texture Artist / Builder

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 7,750

06-15-2007 09:49

If you check the JIRA database, there is a bug report for the viewer, requesting that they fix the fact that the "chatterbox" takes up way too much room. Please add your vote for this to be fixed. Suggestions for remediation offered so far by users include splitting text and voice chat functions apart again, and making it possible to minimize some of the UI aspects that, at present, won't scale any smaller.

I agree it absoutley is too large. When I have voice chat disabled in my prefs, and am only doing Text chat and IM's, WHY do I want to waste screen space with controls that are only relevant to voice chat? I don't. They crammed WAY too much into that UI, and it is only usable if you have a HUGE screen and run SL either full-screen or in a larger than normal window. In a 800 by 600 window, the largest default other than full-screen, the chatterbox hogs 1/2 of the screen in any usable form. I may as well be on a text-only forum while that is up, because I can't see all the 3D graphics!

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Object Pascale

moshi moshi

Join date: 27 Jan 2007

Posts: 648

06-15-2007 10:06

It is quite possibly the worst, most unintuitive piece of GUI design I've ever seen, and that's saying something having been a Second Life user for over a year. You olderbies have probably seen worse though.

DBDigital Epsilon

Registered User

Join date: 29 Aug 2005

Posts: 252

06-19-2007 05:08

No this is definitly the WORST! I have not used the Voice since the chatterbox has been implemented. I do not know why they had to put everything into one window. Sometimes people (like myself) just want the history open, or IM's or both at the same time. Now it takes up way too much space and you can't have IM's and history visiable at the same time as you must switch between tabs every time. Quite irriatating. Also the JARJA issue you spoke if is now listed as "unreproduceable", which leads one to think that it won't be changed no matter how much we protest.

-DB

SuezanneC Baskerville

Forums Rock!

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

06-19-2007 05:29

They've marked a number of issues about the voice chat interface as resolved and lumped these separate issues into a so-called "meta-issue".

In other words, LL has denied us the ability to make issue requests of our own choice, to stand or fall on their own merits, and made it such that we have to either vote for the entire lump of disparate proposals or against the entire lump, despite the lumped proposals not being the same or necessarily even much connected except in the eyes of the busy body doing the aggregating.

So if you are thinking you have made a proposal, or have voted for a proposal, you might want to check and see if that proposal is still open for people to vote on or whether you might need to start a new one that includes a request that it not be marked resolved and lumped in with other proposals that are perceived as similar by people that might well lack the ability to make fine distinctions between different ideas, or who are simply trying to reduce the amount of work they have to do reading different proposals or who are simply using this as a means of shutting down suggestions they don't approve of.

If my post seems a bit annoyed it's because I am, I don't want my feature suggestions closed and merged into someone else's, and I don't like seeing it happen to other's people' ideas that I liked but now can't vote for because it got marked resolved and merged into a meta-issue that includes stuff I don't want to vote for.

Which issue were you talking about, Ceera?

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Ceera Murakami

Texture Artist / Builder

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 7,750

06-19-2007 14:45

Go to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1076to vote on the combined meta-issue for the Chatterbox problems. They combined all the other complaints about Chatterbox into this one JIRA ticket.

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Stone Saenz

Owner, The Landing Strip

Join date: 14 Mar 2007

Posts: 8

06-25-2007 14:57

I think I could live with it if the Chat History could be torn off from the rest, thus making it just like the way the current Chat History works.

Tasman Perth

Geekette Extraordinaire

Join date: 7 Jun 2005

Posts: 225

07-14-2007 13:22

What we REALLY need is to be drag chat windows, etc to a second monitor. I'm constantly annoyed that the area chat covers up most of the left side of *one* of my screens.. Over the last two years, I've tweeked the configuration on chat endlessly and as far as I'm concerned, there is just no way to make chat useful on a single screen. Oh to be able to move that to a window on my second screen... Since I suspect many people have dual screens, this would probably be a very desired feature...

Tas

IM/Chat History Suggestion
Coma Vaughan Registered User Join date: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1	06-15-2007 08:20 The new chat history just doesn't work for me. I keep my chat history on most of the time, so that I"m not having to constantly watch the screen to keep up with conversations. Under the new system, chat history takes up WAY too much screen real estate. The top section needs to be either scaleable or removeable.
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	06-15-2007 09:49 If you check the JIRA database, there is a bug report for the viewer, requesting that they fix the fact that the "chatterbox" takes up way too much room. Please add your vote for this to be fixed. Suggestions for remediation offered so far by users include splitting text and voice chat functions apart again, and making it possible to minimize some of the UI aspects that, at present, won't scale any smaller. I agree it absoutley is too large. When I have voice chat disabled in my prefs, and am only doing Text chat and IM's, WHY do I want to waste screen space with controls that are only relevant to voice chat? I don't. They crammed WAY too much into that UI, and it is only usable if you have a HUGE screen and run SL either full-screen or in a larger than normal window. In a 800 by 600 window, the largest default other than full-screen, the chatterbox hogs 1/2 of the screen in any usable form. I may as well be on a text-only forum while that is up, because I can't see all the 3D graphics! _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Object Pascale moshi moshi Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 648	06-15-2007 10:06 It is quite possibly the worst, most unintuitive piece of GUI design I've ever seen, and that's saying something having been a Second Life user for over a year. You olderbies have probably seen worse though.
DBDigital Epsilon Registered User Join date: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 252	06-19-2007 05:08 No this is definitly the WORST! I have not used the Voice since the chatterbox has been implemented. I do not know why they had to put everything into one window. Sometimes people (like myself) just want the history open, or IM's or both at the same time. Now it takes up way too much space and you can't have IM's and history visiable at the same time as you must switch between tabs every time. Quite irriatating. Also the JARJA issue you spoke if is now listed as "unreproduceable", which leads one to think that it won't be changed no matter how much we protest. -DB
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	06-19-2007 05:29 They've marked a number of issues about the voice chat interface as resolved and lumped these separate issues into a so-called "meta-issue". In other words, LL has denied us the ability to make issue requests of our own choice, to stand or fall on their own merits, and made it such that we have to either vote for the entire lump of disparate proposals or against the entire lump, despite the lumped proposals not being the same or necessarily even much connected except in the eyes of the busy body doing the aggregating. So if you are thinking you have made a proposal, or have voted for a proposal, you might want to check and see if that proposal is still open for people to vote on or whether you might need to start a new one that includes a request that it not be marked resolved and lumped in with other proposals that are perceived as similar by people that might well lack the ability to make fine distinctions between different ideas, or who are simply trying to reduce the amount of work they have to do reading different proposals or who are simply using this as a means of shutting down suggestions they don't approve of. If my post seems a bit annoyed it's because I am, I don't want my feature suggestions closed and merged into someone else's, and I don't like seeing it happen to other's people' ideas that I liked but now can't vote for because it got marked resolved and merged into a meta-issue that includes stuff I don't want to vote for. Which issue were you talking about, Ceera? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	06-19-2007 14:45 Go to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1076to vote on the combined meta-issue for the Chatterbox problems. They combined all the other complaints about Chatterbox into this one JIRA ticket. _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Stone Saenz Owner, The Landing Strip Join date: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 8	06-25-2007 14:57 I think I could live with it if the Chat History could be torn off from the rest, thus making it just like the way the current Chat History works.
Tasman Perth Geekette Extraordinaire Join date: 7 Jun 2005 Posts: 225	07-14-2007 13:22 What we REALLY need is to be drag chat windows, etc to a second monitor. I'm constantly annoyed that the area chat covers up most of the left side of one of my screens.. Over the last two years, I've tweeked the configuration on chat endlessly and as far as I'm concerned, there is just no way to make chat useful on a single screen. Oh to be able to move that to a window on my second screen... Since I suspect many people have dual screens, this would probably be a very desired feature... Tas

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