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Roxie Marten
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06-03-2007 01:21
General George Patton once said "Grab them by the balls and their hearts and minds will soon follow"

Now is the time we desperately need to get the attention of Linden Lab
The question is how do we do this? The answer is money.
Since the advent of stipends being cut, Linden Lab has made it clear that
money is their main motivation and the greed factor continues to be turned up.

It is a well known fact that there are fewer content creators than consumers.
Consumers who buy everything from land to sex balls.
Where did they get this money? They buy it from Linden Lab.

In fact this purchasing of currency makes up a major part of their revenue stream.
A few months ago a interview was done with one of the big wigs from Linden Lab stating that money sales then land sales made up the lion share of the revenue stream for Linden Lab.

Another well known fact that the sex trade makes up large share of the in world economy.

With this knowledge in hand this the solution is simple.

Shut down the clubs, sex shop, brothels and any thing else that could fall under the heading of this "making second life safe".

I would encourage other merchants to follow suit as well. This affects everyone.

Go dark for 24 hours. Let them see what it is like when a major dent is put in their currency sales.

I run the brothel in Tomb Stone the Wild West sim. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. If the rest of the people involved in the sex trade wish to pick a day to go dark, I will do it as well.

I leave with you a piece of advice from Ben Franklin

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately"

Think about this people. The crap is hitting the fan.

Rox
AcidRaven Harrington
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06-03-2007 02:09
From: Roxie Marten
General George Patton once said "Grab them by the balls and their hearts and minds will soon follow"

Now is the time we desperately need to get the attention of Linden Lab
The question is how do we do this? The answer is money.
Since the advent of stipends being cut, Linden Lab has made it clear that
money is their main motivation and the greed factor continues to be turned up.

It is a well known fact that there are fewer content creators than consumers.
Consumers who buy everything from land to sex balls.
Where did they get this money? They buy it from Linden Lab.

In fact this purchasing of currency makes up a major part of their revenue stream.
A few months ago a interview was done with one of the big wigs from Linden Lab stating that money sales then land sales made up the lion share of the revenue stream for Linden Lab.

Another well known fact that the sex trade makes up large share of the in world economy.

With this knowledge in hand this the solution is simple.

Shut down the clubs, sex shop, brothels and any thing else that could fall under the heading of this "making second life safe".

I would encourage other merchants to follow suit as well. This affects everyone.

Go dark for 24 hours. Let them see what it is like when a major dent is put in their currency sales.

I run the brothel in Tomb Stone the Wild West sim. I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. If the rest of the people involved in the sex trade wish to pick a day to go dark, I will do it as well.

I leave with you a piece of advice from Ben Franklin

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately"

Think about this people. The crap is hitting the fan.

Rox


That might get attention. Unfortatly the only 100% way to get there attention would be to take down there clubs, Release there land and drop to basic membership. otherwise they are always getting the cash from meberships and tire.

I don't think that would ever be able to work to many people have to much invested into SL and it is hard to convince anyone to drop everything when they have 2 or more sims becuse even one sim is 1,000 USD not cheep to anyone. but as I said that is the only 100% way to get them to pay attention. I don't know about the rates of anything else.
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Tegg Bode
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06-03-2007 02:29
I warrants thought on whether even if half the grid stopped buying & selling for a day, the beancounters might realise we are serious.
And be realistic here, if one day is going to cause the collapse of your business, it's obviously on shakey ground anyway or fair enopugh don't shut down completely, just do the minimum you need to.
Trouble is there is no belief in people power anymore. And you will actually get people posting here so certain it won't work that they will try to sabotage your efforts anyway they can so you really do realise they are right.
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Broken Xeno
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06-03-2007 02:33
I'd do it. Name a day, I wont purchase L, spend L, hell, I wont even log in that day. Thing is, it can't just be a small amount of people doing it. Everyone's gotta do it, and stick to it.

Heck, let's do it for a whole week :p
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06-03-2007 02:37
From: Tegg Bode
I warrants thought on whether even if half the grid stopped buying & selling for a day, the beancounters might realise we are serious.
And be realistic here, if one day is going to cause the collapse of your business, it's obviously on shakey ground anyway or fair enopugh don't shut down completely, just do the minimum you need to.
Trouble is there is no belief in people power anymore. And you will actually get people posting here so certain it won't work that they will try to sabotage your efforts anyway they can so you really do realise they are right.


agrees, im with You Roxie, but why one day? one day is nothing to LL. if You are gonna do it do it right. as Acid said, all the residents would have to bust down to basic, then and only then will LL realize they have a problem. i once proposed an idea similar to this to my partner, and he wieghed the pros and cons. and sadly He, Tegg and Acid were and are correct: too many have too much invested in SL to take that chance. and the ONLY way it will work is if they all the residents did it.

makes way for the naysayers, why it wont be feasablers, and the LL is doin the best it can-ers.....
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Tegg Bode
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06-03-2007 02:49
All busting down to basic isn't going to happen, when I sell my home & last 3000m of land I won't be dropping to basic, I won't be coming back ever. people aren't going to delete all their houses & sell up to send a temporary message. But perhaps if we disrupted inworld cashflow enough for 24 hours SL time, they might notice. People can not login if they like or just login and socialise, I suspect not spending will get more attention than reduced logins. But perhaps a combination of both.

We would need people inworld anyway to keep sending reminders through group IM's not to spend I guess. and people in groups to tolerate such remindrs.
Is there a "bad" day of the month for them finacially perhaps to cause maximum recognition, EOM etc? Begining / End of Finacial Year?.....
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Min Fairweather
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06-03-2007 03:09
I've been trying to think of a peaceful protest to show LL how concerned people are by these recent announcements.

Broken Xeno, what a genius plan!

If we want to show our concern and our numbers we could have a protest 'not logging in today' day. I don't know what kind of impact it would have on SL's stats, but perhaps that would be information for us too. Are we a tiny majority or a big one?

On the money side people with clubs etc. could also close for the day but I'm sure this would mostly hit their personal pockets with the drop in traffic on their land. However, if the protestors didn't spend any money that day (not logging in) then that's going to be a side effect.

I imagine there would be a lot of work that would need to be done to promote the event in-world and in the press beforehand. This kind of event only works if it is hyped beforehand imho.

Would this be enough to get our message across? Thoughts?
Broccoli Curry
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06-03-2007 03:32
From: Min Fairweather
Would this be enough to get our message across? Thoughts?


Nope. It doesn't work in real life for anything so why should it work here?

Besides, the only way to get the message to everyone is via in-world messaging, and under the ToS that's considered spamming.

I don't spend much money anyway, I'd rather learn to make it myself.

Broccoli
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Tegg Bode
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06-03-2007 03:35
I think it could work, but we need to get support from major community/group leaders for it, people need to take camping bots offline too, foriegn language people need to be informed, signs need to be displayed in popular places & businesses.
Perhaps a week day will have minimal resident impact but occur while the boffins are in office to see it live too.
Those who need to locin to pay rent or check IM's, just do so then spend some RL time whatching TV or going to bed early.
Perhaps some freebie T-Shirts to pass out and wear for a few days.
I have a feeling somehow there will be a town hall meeting this week too, lots of bright green "Save Second Life" sloganed T-shirts might look good :)
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Matthew Dowd
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06-03-2007 04:00
From: Min Fairweather
Broken Xeno, what a genius plan!


Hey, I suggested something similar in the Open Letter thread (a no-trading day) albeit for the issues there rather than the new ones LL seems to be opening up.

So I'll claim the IPR on that idea if it works, thank you very much. Xeno can take the blame if it all goes wrong ;-)
violetann Petion
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06-03-2007 04:04
How about a sit in... If people take their AV's to the lindon islands and all sit around with banners and such and try to max out there sim/sims with people just sitting around in it. With the this will be the only fun in SL if you ban our imagination. Heck getting over flow to mainland hubs. May be the lindon owned SL museum would be a good starting protest ground.

Their could be free full perm banners and t-shirts and items with the logos and such put in and ask big designers to give them out in there shops and groups owners to send out proposals with it in including a free t-shirt or something.

Heck we could ask some Djs or live singers to hand out stream add to people who are there and sitting there till we get an actually response from LL.
Min Fairweather
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06-03-2007 05:37
From: Broccoli Curry
Nope. It doesn't work in real life for anything so why should it work here?

Besides, the only way to get the message to everyone is via in-world messaging, and under the ToS that's considered spamming.

I don't spend much money anyway, I'd rather learn to make it myself.

Broccoli


Going on strike in RL has actually worked quite a bit.

There are many ways to publicise a 'don't log in today' day or any other event without spamming. The SL Herald, this Forum, group notices via the already created protest groups for these issues, posters, an event notice, etc.
Malachi Petunia
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06-03-2007 06:17
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There are many ways to publicise a 'don't log in today' day or any other event without spamming. The SL Herald, this Forum, group notices via the already created protest groups for these issues, posters, an event notice, etc.
This "grassroots" idea is compelling, but asking 40k junkies to give up their "fix" for a week or even a day seems bound for failure. Even if you got 25% compliance it would be a considerable acheivement, but not an impressive one to LL.
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Pratyeka Muromachi
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06-03-2007 06:27
We don't buy L$ from LL, we buy it from other residents through the Lindex. LL takes a cut.
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Colette Meiji
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06-03-2007 06:35
From: Pratyeka Muromachi
We don't buy L$ from LL, we buy it from other residents through the Lindex. LL takes a cut.


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Colette Meiji
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06-03-2007 06:37
A more sustainable boycott would be to convince people to stop using LindenX - And buy (and sell) their Lindens from 3rd Party sites only.

Someone could possible provide a list of the reputable ones?
Strife Onizuka
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06-03-2007 08:11
off-topic

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