Will this new identity system still allow Griefing?

So unverified accounts can still be made?

So griefers can still run rampant? And my only recourse is to flag my art gallery or T-shirt shop as adult?

And a bonus question for 25 points and a trip to Hawaii: Will the camera controls be modified so one cannot zoom from afar into a parcel/house/brothel and watch the zippy action?

Yep.


Yep again. Setting it as adult is no guarantee though as the data that is verified is in no way tied to the account. Using false data to get verified will carry less risk than credit card fraud and be easier to pull off.


I doubt it. That would require a major change in the way the game works. I can't see LL putting that much effort in.

only difference that will be after the verification is in is that that 3rd party has more data to sell out

we`ll still be griefed, lagging like hell, crashing faster then n00bs can hit on ya and adult content providers lose income heh

Everybody wins! \o/

For the time being, it would appear so.

I think that's a somewhat negative way to look at it. The identity verification is not intended to stop griefers, so it's not exactly meaningful to talk about how it doesn't work that way.

You still have every method of recourse you had before. Whether those are effective or not is a whole 'nuther thread



I seriously doubt that the camera controls will be modified - at least in the near future - but that's a personal belief only, based on what I think I know about the amount of work involved to enable that and the amount of work I think the Lindens are likely to put into that.


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Someone has said - fairly recently - you cant alter camera controls with 100% certaintity becuase of the Open Source client. Someone could just alter them back.

I've been wondering about the function which allows you to make private islands invisible to adjacent ones...couldn't they do something like that with adult parcels? No need to change the camera controls then.

Private islands are a whole sim process, rather than part of the sim. Presumably the invisibility works by just not allowing users to interact with that sim, like a firewall over the whole thing.
Doing the same with parcels would require changes to the way sims send out object/avatar data and receive interactions within the parcels.

Hmmm, well, they need to do something to limit access to adult parcels...requiring owners to flag it and then allowing non-verified residents to stand on the Mature land next door and peer in is pointless.

Look, the whole thing is pointless.

Yep, and make it worse. The smart griefers will quickly figure out how to fake orgies, and put up signs with porn on them to get non-adult areas marked as adult. This system will only affect the honest users, anyone who wants to will simply fake the verification data and get access to all areas.

lol, OK, perhaps I should have said, if LL insists on pursuing this course of action, then requiring owners to flag their parcels without subsequently prohibiting non-verifieds from looking into said parcels is defeating the purpose.

I think the lag will get better from all the sex buffs that don't want to share their info quitting the game. no more 35,000+ on at a time! I bet there'll be an island server blowout sale, too!

a few of my friends have already decided they're going to do this due to the risk of abuse. ie. they're liable for any content on their land, so what's to stop a bunch of unverified griefers coming along, dropping a penis skyscraper on it and filing an AR?

when i mentioned this on the forum, somebody said they'd already decided to do the same. it's a great shame, but i fear those who refuse to verify for whatever reason (and i might be one of them, we'll see about that) are going to be faced with a landscape more dominated by ban lines than it's ever been before.

keep the land secure
lindens can see if an object is made by a renting resident or by some idiot as the name will just mismatch
the whole system is fuckedup when implemented, griefers delight as proved again and again

It does not matter if the fee is $1, $10 or $100.

Lets use Guild Wars as an example, as I know griefers there all to well and have reported my fare share. A basic account on Guild Wars is roughly $50 to give a round number, about $70 for "Collectors Edition", you also have to buy an account for each campain to allow character to move between them. So a griefer in Guild Wars risks a MINIMUM or $50 and possibly hundreds of hours, they get banned and who know if they come back, but bottemline is the cost is not a deterent in the least. So if you look at is a Guild Wars greifer stands to loose $50 to $210 for their actions and it does not seem to diswade them in the least, they will still throw racial and sexual insults, use referances to pediphilia and just about anything else they can throw out that violates the RoCs and ToS.

So do I think Age Varification will stop greifers? Not at all, they will still grief reguardless of the costs or consiquences. Always have always will.

Now I want LL to come out and be exact with pricing and what information is required for both US and international users to get Varified. There announcements are... quite frankly less than clear on these points and they need to get it straight before people will give their final Yay or Nay on it.

The answer to this (and maybe they're working on it but haven't said anything yet) is to simply not transfer the contents of an adult marked parcel down to the unverified client. The unverified can cam around all they want, but all they'll see is empty space.

...just not at the nudie bars. The IBM complex will become the home base for terrorists who cant get into Amsterdam any more. Those who remain without age verification will have their draw distance capped at three feet and their hearing range limeted to whispers.
If not, then its just a legal ruse to avoid litigation in the event of a toddler breach.

You found the answer! It's all a matter of liability and LL wants to give the appearance of attempting to cover their asses.

Remember when there were just as many threads about Project Open Letter? Those were the days...

I think there will be just as much griefing going on - but the targets will shift. I worry about this. If the unverifieds can't get into the sex clubs and stuff to hassle people, they're going to concentrate on harrassing people where they are limited to going.

Which makes my PG store a great target. I was thinking about this before work this morning, when the bird songs at my peaceful home and garden store were interrupted by machine gun fire. Camming around the property, I found an unverified griefer at my landing point shooting at a customer. Sure, I can eject>ban, and I did - but is this going to be happening to me more frequently after the new verification rules go into effect? And how the hell do I keep these people from shooting at my customers when I'm not around, other than ban all unverifieds, and lose some of my business?

If this happens, I'll end up banning ALL unverified accounts from my land rather than lose my customers who don't want to be shot at while they shop, the majority of whom have payment info on file. But I'd rather not do that. Some people are unverified by no fault of their own, and I have enabled my money tree so that they can pick from it. I would really hate to cut off access and stop being a nice person because the new rules send more griefers my way.

Set the land to no-build except for members of a group.

Or set it to auto-return objects made or rezzed by others in a short period of time.

Or expect someone investigating the AR to see that the offending object was not created by you. (for that matter, look at the owner name and AR them. They put it there.)

There are options. Landowners have control over what's permissible on their land, and you have the ability to keep people from creating objects, running scripts or doing other things. Sometimes these are not perfect ... maybe you run a business that requires you to leave the build permissions open, for example .. but you are not at the mercy of anyone and everyone who comes through.

Neat idea... But as Colette said above, you still need to consider open source clients. I suspect that there are reasons why we don't already have this kind of privacy on the mainland, but it would certainly be appreciated by a large number of people.


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Aren't invisible islands a server side thing? I would think they have nothing to do with the client, otherwise anyone with a modded client would be able to view the sim.

I don't see them doing it anyway, plenty of people have asked for privacy flags and private "basements", no go so far.

Well, they do occasionally seem to hint that it's "on the radar", but I have yet to see any movement on privacy. I don't personally care about privacy so much, but even I have to admit it would be a good thing for Second Life to have.


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