Can I deed an OBJECT to a GROUP and still..

keep edit authority of the conent?

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When you deed something to the group it counts as a transfer of ownership, so in order for you to keep your current permissions, two things have to be in place: You have to set the object's 'next owner' permissions to match whatever you have now, i.e. full permissions if you created it. Second, you have to make sure that within the group, you have the ability to edit group-owned objects. Of course you also have to have the ability to deed things to the group.

I've been running into problems with the whole group thing myself, but I'm gradually figuring it out through trial and error

The main thing to remember is once the group owns the object, you aren't the owner any more. Even if it was yours, even if you built it from scratch. That also goes for any 'contents' in the object, like scripts etc. Everything goes into the 'new owner' mode, and the 'next owner' permissions become active.

-Atashi.

Edited to add: Bear in mind also, that when it becomes group owned, everyone else in the group who can edit group objects, will be able to edit the object you have deeded. So when you set the object's 'next owner' permissions, you are not just letting yourself edit it but everyone else in the group with the same group roles as you.

Is it possible to place the object in its final location and then deed it? Meaning, this object really needs to be in this exact location and I want to place it there. I don't want to rely on the new owner to go and try to place it.

Yes. In fact this is what I did in my case.. I placed one of my security orbs where I wanted it to be (on group-owned land), then made sure it was set to the right group, then deeded it to the group. I am owner of the group so I do have edit objects abilities. What I overlooked was all the scripts inside became no modify The object itself was already set with copy/mod/no trans permissions, so I could continue to edit it afterwards. I run into problems now and then with its config notecard but it will let me delete the notecard and then drop a new one in.

-Atashi

Very helpful ! Sounds like a very interesting project. Once you deed it to the group do they need to do anything? such as approve the deeding etc..or is that all transparent to all members of the group? Meaning, If I have arranged with the land owner to deed my object and I go place it and deed it...do all group members get notification? or is that the end of it...placement done.

I own and use several Psyke security orbs, deed to group.

In short, the answer is no, you cannot edit the contents. This means no to the notecards and no to the scripts.

You can, however add people or delete people from the orbs lists via the controls, assuming that you are wearing your group tag.

When setting up your orb, make sure that you have made all changes that you want to make to the contents BEFORE you deed it to your group. In the contents, the notecard contains all the parameters that can be tweaked to fine tune it (example: the controls let you adjust range in increments of 10m, however the notecard allows you to alter it to any distance you choose, so you could configure it to 15m to just cover just the inside of your house). Once deeded, you no longer have access to that notecard (specifically, it says that you don't have permission to open it).

No notifaction at all. Nothing else happens. Put it in place, edit it, on the general tab I believe the steps are, set to the right group, share with group, deed to group, the end.

Nothing else happens, no messages or postings occur.

If you don't need them or anybody else to edit the contents or do anything else with it, then before you deed it, set the next-owner permissions accordingly. The group owner or officers will be able to edit it, as far as moving, deleting, or taking, but that is no different than giving or selling the object to an individual avatar.

-Atashi

Atashi...thanks again. makes sense now.

Steph...I don't fully understand..sounds contridictory to what Atashi stated regarding having edit ability after deed

I think the difference is Stephanie was talking about a purchased object (Psyche orb) and I was talking about something I built myself. With any purchased object you are probably going to have some restricted permissions to start with, whereas something you made yourself will usually have full perms.

And in my case, even though the notecard was supposed to be full perms for the next owner, once deeded to the group I still couldn't edit the darn thing. I could however delete the notecard out of the object then drop a new notecard in the object.

-Atashi

Once you deed it next owner permissions are in effect, so if you are able to edit it before deeding you can edit after deeding IF you set the next owner permissions to MOD on everything (object and contents).

Can this all work even if you are not a member of the group that owns the land you are placing the object?

No.

Well, maybe I was too hasty saying that - anyone else?

Instead of deeding your item to the group, you can just check off the box that says "share with group." You still retain ownership that way, but other group members can edit it, move it, etc. At least in theory. I have found that it doesn't always work quite right. Group-owned land can be tricky to handle.

I just tried it..and when I select a group it only shows the groups I belong to..so in order to deed an object to a group you appearantly need to be invited to the group first, deed the object using the new group tag over your head and then un-join

I thought you meant the group you belonged to, and to which you wanted to deed the object, was not the group owner of land the object was on - in fact I was thinking of a specific case that rose up in my febrile imagination for some reason.
*confuses self*
*puts ice pack on skull*

Hey Guys,

If an object has been deeded to a group and now belongs to the group can the owner of the group return/transfer said object to the person who deeded it?

I deeded my couch to the rental group that I rent a home from and now i'm not able to move it lol. It's stuck in the middle of the living room floor.

Thanks,
Phil

You messed up Phil

You should have SET it to group not DEEDED it to group.

Set is done with just the "set" group informational.

If you deeded it to the group and want it back you need to have sufficent group permissiosns to move or take it.

Also next owner permissions apply which means you might have lost Modify permissions.

Yes, I'm aware of the mistake I made all to well. ( Experience IS the best teacher. ) So from your response I can only assume the group owner will have to grant me a certian level of group permissions in order to recover or even delete the object. It seems to me that the group owner would have controls of all objects owned by the group.

Anyway I'm going to take it up with a representative of the group.

I do appreciate your reply and and your time

Many thanks,

Phil