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First Amendment Rights lawsuit if they press

Shyressa Swenholt
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Join date: 25 Apr 2007
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06-01-2007 19:13
Just curious that since Linden Labs is an American company that is now infringing on the First Amendment Rights of not only American citizens but of everyone that uses SL in whole with this whole Morality Police issue, how many would decide to fight back and form a class-action lawsuit against them?

I mean first they basically rip people off of thousands of USD with the whole lost inventory issues, then with all the instabilities and backwards thinking on fixing the grid causes more time lost from being able to enjoy the game, with the lag, no porting, griefers all the time. And now they seem to assume they can tell everyone what we can and can not do?? Sorry, the last time I looked at the ToS and the game itself, you have to be an ADULT to play and these so called immoral activites they are going on about are consensual!! I mean how can you really force anyone into watching or doing any of these things they are bitching about?!?!?! YOU CAN NOT!! If you don't like something you can port away or log off, hell even mute the person doing it! After all they designed the game that you hav to consent to even getting a hug!! let alone sex, rape play, or anything else they suddenly find offensive.

Well Lindens! I find you whole blog offensive and full of double talk and stumbling. Since you are based in the USA you best stop and think about things before you comply with some country who really has absolutely no say in how you run your company...for gods sake grow some balls, surely someone in that company has to have some.
Jesseaitui Petion
king of polynesia :P
Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
06-01-2007 19:17
From: Shyressa Swenholt


I mean first they basically rip people off of thousands of USD with the whole lost inventory issues
While im not too fond of the way LL runs things..ok not fond of it at all.

This is untrue. Yes they need a fix for this lost inventory crap but how are they ripping people off? The money goes to the content creators you purchased it from, not LL.


anyway back on topic, yes SL is turning into a police state. oh well.
FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 4,697
06-01-2007 19:20
From: Jesseaitui Petion
The money goes to the content creators you purchased it from, not LL.
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For every Linden sold or bought LL get's a cut. I seriously doubt many content creators are making a whole lot with exceptions of few.
milady Guillaume
Shhhh, I'm researching!
Join date: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 696
06-01-2007 19:24
From: Shyressa Swenholt
Well Lindens! I find you whole blog offensive and full of double talk and stumbling. Since you are based in the USA you best stop and think about things before you comply with some country who really has absolutely no say in how you run your company...for gods sake grow some balls, surely someone in that company has to have some.


Well now that you mention it, sculpties are available, perhaps someone can show them what they look like. Then they can check themselves to see if in fact, they have any or need to grow some, or make some!
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Jesseaitui Petion
king of polynesia :P
Join date: 2 Jan 2006
Posts: 2,175
06-01-2007 19:26
From: FD Spark
For every Linden sold or bought LL get's a cut. I seriously doubt many content creators are making a whole lot with exceptions of few.



I`m not used to using rl money to buy lindens so i wasnt thinking fully about the entire process before i made my comment.

But still, content creators get a large chunk of it. IMO LL isnt really 'ripping people off'...but yeah thats just my opinion in accordance with what goes on in my personal SL.

I will say im tired of getting IMs of people saying "i purchased and didnt get it" and then i have to take care of the problem with LL should be fixing this, but im still not understanding how that lines up with them ripping ppl off....eh maybe it is...in a way. Given they purchased L through lindex.
Kidd Krasner
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Join date: 1 Jan 2007
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06-01-2007 19:29
The First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution constrains what the government is allowed to do. It doesn't constrain what private businesses are allowed to do. (For those unfamaliar with it, it's the part that deals with freedom of speech, religion, the press, etc.)

It's possible that some people may have a case, particularly those who bought land based on business plans that are no longer viable due to changes. It's harder to see whether there's a case for people who bought L$ for other reasons. It's really hard to see any case for those people who haven't paid anything. (None of which means I'm conceding any claims to which I might be entitled.)

I don't like the way policies are being reformlated either, but an empty threat of a lawsuit based on a misunderstanding of the law is hardly a useful response.
Peggy Paperdoll
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Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 4,383
06-01-2007 19:33
I really don't believe Second Life residents have a Constitution............or a Bill or Rights. It's a product distributed by Linden Labs and has notthing to do with any amendment to a Constitution. What is the First Amendment of this non-existant Constitution anyway?

If you are talking about Linden Labs poor customer service (almost as non-existant as that Constitution), their lack of efforts to make restitution for lost items by the users and a whole host of unfixed problems you have my attention........but we ain't got no First Amendment Rights here. We don't have a Constitution to amend.

If you are talking about the Constitution of the United States of America you might want to read it before trying to apply it to a enterprise like Second Life. Second life may be violating laws ( I happen to think they are in a few cases), but they are NOT violating anyone's rights. Your rights are simple........accept or don't accept. No one is forcing you in either direction. Nothing in SL henders anyone in any way from pursuing a happy (or unhappy) and fruitful (or unfruitful) life..............REAL LIFE, that is. If you are in SL for an income benefit, you picked one hell of long shot for that goal. But that's still not a right......not in the United States nor anywhere else that I know about.
Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
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06-01-2007 19:36
From: Shyressa Swenholt
. And now they seem to assume they can tell everyone what we can and can not do?? .



boy people are getting a bit overboard

its their servers so yes they can actually "tell peopel what they can and cannot do" its their business and most of the population plays for free as far as paying LL anything

*bangs head on wall some more*

Also the TOS are theirs

creators make content and people pay the creators not LL for content

and apart from the fact that I can't sleep I have no idea why I am even bothering to type this answer other then I'm getting more and more amazed about what people think or how they think at times.

and yes you may call me a "fanboi" but what I am actualy is realistic. Also the fact I dont play this game for the prOn is probably one reason it doesn't bother me very much I never see all this stuff everyone is refering to because I'm not looking for it. Is is such an issue to remove these things? I'm thinking no but then maybe i'm a square stick in the mud who only joined this game/platform for some creativity and cause it looked kinda fun.

*points*

I will be over in the corner there happily playing with my crayons and colouring books as usual thinking up some other hair brained scheme that others just might find cool ^^

*runs*
Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
06-01-2007 19:48
The First Amendment, and general Freedom of Speech rights, generally don't apply to this.

In general, Freedom of Speech rights a) don't restrict private business, and b) only apply to companies that take away rights you already had without them. The classic example as that the right to Freedom of Speech doesn't allow you to go to your local TV station and demand that they allow you to speak on screen.

By restricting your right to speak on Second Life, Linden Labs are not taking away anything you already had without them, because without Linden Labs there would be no Second Life.