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Qie Niangao
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02-05-2010 04:05
I posted on https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/8566 the following:

From: someone
How should this work after Resident Answers moves here?

For the nonce, let's assume that after the official forums move to Jive/Clearspace, there will be some place for open, broad-ranging discussion similar to the way Resident Answers has been operating for the past few years, ever since the official general discussion forum was closed. (We don't know for sure that will happen, but it's now clear that if it doesn't, there's no need to move anything; they could just archive the old forums and call it a day.)

Starting from that assumption, then, there's a kind of grey and wavy line of demarcation between SLA and RA. It's much more ambiguous than I appreciated before--and more than I think the Linden's appreciate, either.

For example, I'd thought of SLA as a kind of straight Q&A help area. You know: Ask a question, get some answers, thread marked "Answered", on to the next question.

But it's not like that at all. And it's easy to see why: it would be deadly boring for the responders. So instead, questions get answered and, often, hilarity ensues. That's perfectly healthy, it seems to me; that's how RA works, too.

And not every thread is really a question. For example, there's Angela's "What would you do?" game, which is pretty much indistinguishable from forums games played everywhere, including Resident Answers (e.g., Argent's "Right where you are sitting now" thread). So that's familiar, too, and seems healthy for building an online community of helpers.

Now, the flip-side: RA has thrived on a steady supply of resident questions. There are a lot of contributors with unmatched expertise in innumerable topics of interests to residents, and residents get answers there. And a lot of the productive, in-depth discussions that happen in RA start as questions from residents. So RA folks want to answer questions, where some of those answers become interesting discussions. Surely that must happen here in SLA, too.

My point is emphatically not that there's a rivalry or competition here. Rather, it seems to me that the distinction is artificial: SLA is becoming RA, and RA has been SLA all along. One might think that the distinction is in the posting guidelines: SLA is supposed to be a sort of "just the facts, ma'am" answers site--but you know what? If you read the guidelines, that's exactly what RA was supposed to be, too!

And you know what else? Neither site functions--nor can function--within those guidelines. Exactly the same thing is happening in SLA as happened in RA: it's a fun-loving community of volunteer helpers, doing their thing. This is just how that thing is done.

It's a completely different thing if a support forums site is staffed by employees of the company whose products are being supported. If half the posts here were by folks with a Linden surname, it could be all strictly business. But we don't get paid for this, we do it because it's fun. Part of the fun is helping folks with questions, and part of the fun is getting to know fellow helpers and goofing with them.

So anyway, that's how it looks to me, an interloper from RA. Does any of this ring true to SLA "natives"? And if so, what does it mean for how things should be structured, going forward?

[Yes, I realize this thread is itself a violation of the extant interpretation of SLA posting guidelines. Warn me if you must. But one can't very well get input from SLA regulars by posting this discussion in RA, right?]

Make of it what you will.
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Phil Deakins
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02-05-2010 04:12
Imo, SLA is a good thing. It's purpose is like many other Q&A system. Perhaps it isn't being strictly limited to Q&A at the moment, because the General Discussion part isn't implemented. When it is, I imagine that LL hopes that genaral chat uses it and SLA will be just as they wanted it to be, which is no bad thing, imo.
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Brenda Connolly
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02-05-2010 04:14
From: Phil Deakins
Imo, SLA is a good thing. It's purpose is like many other Q&A system. Perhaps it isn't being strictly limited to Q&A at the moment, because the General Discussion part isn't implemented. When it is, I imagine that LL hopes that genaral chat uses it and SLA will be just as they wanted it to be, which is no bad thing, imo.


True, predicated on the assumption that there will actually be a general discussion area. I don't care how many Lindens say it, I will believe it when I see it.
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Ann Otoole
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02-05-2010 04:14
As I said over there things will work the way LL wants them to and no other. People should know by now LL does not value the existing residents and is just trying to bullshit everyone to stop them all from abandoning SL and killing LL's revenue streams before LL can gain different revenue streams at which time almost everything people do in SL will become banned.

So let's wait and see what big thing LL is about to lay on us and see if anyone is still interested in Second Life the week of the 15th or the week after the next big bombshell I have heard tidbits about but can't discuss because it is hearsay.
Kara Spengler
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02-05-2010 04:29
From: Brenda Connolly
I don't care how many Lindens say it, I will believe it when I see it.

Yes, especially low level ones. Even then, I do not count on them not changing their mind 180' about any given topic whenever the whim strikes them.
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Phil Deakins
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02-05-2010 04:35
From: Ann Otoole
As I said over there things will work the way LL wants them to and no other. People should know by now LL does not value the existing residents and is just trying to bullshit everyone to stop them all from abandoning SL and killing LL's revenue streams before LL can gain different revenue streams at which time almost everything people do in SL will become banned.

So let's wait and see what big thing LL is about to lay on us and see if anyone is still interested in Second Life the week of the 15th or the week after the next big bombshell I have heard tidbits about but can't discuss because it is hearsay.
There's nothing wrong with hearsay rumours :)

I've written many times that I have little to no time for LL management because of their decisions. I have a lot of time for the support people, but that's different. But I don't adopt the attitude that all LL decisions are bad just because LL management makes them so, when I think about it, I can't fault some of their decisions, such as Linden Homes, even though I believe it will affect some current rental businesses. Whether they care or not about the current population, that decision makes SL a better place to want to join.

Similarly, I can't fault the SLA part. There are many Q&A systems and I see nothing wrong with SL having one just like them. Imo, it's a very good thing and better for the job than what RA has been for some years. For one thing, RA can be intimidating for someone new to it, because of what happens here, whereas SLA shouldn't be, because it is being moderated. So there again, I don't find fault with LL's decision, even though many people prefer things the way they are here.

A general chat venue is slightly different. LL doesn't seem to want to provide a decent one any more. In all honesty, I can't fault that either as it takes quite some moderating. There are existing alternatives, so it's not bad. It does mean breaking up a thriving community, but, to be fair, that's not really LL's problem.

So look at it a year from now. SLA will be the place to ask genuine questions and receive serious answers that don't get derailed into all sort of stuff. There will (possibly) be a general discussion area that isn't ideal because of the software, and most people who enjoy such things will be happily using one or more of the alternative forums. If I first came across SL in those circumstances, I think I'd be happy with it. I'm willing to see how it all pans out, and I think it may be fine.
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Ciaran Laval
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02-05-2010 04:46
SLA pains me, for a start I'm not a fan of SLA's!

Secondly Second Life Answers is simply frustrating. I know what they're trying to do there, Yahoo answers or Experts Exchange type of stuff, such a system probably does have a place but it simply irks me.

Linden Lab want Second Life Answers to work and it shows by how they curry favour with the most active participants, that may be a way of getting it to work but again I find it offputting. If it works for some then great, I'm not looking to rain on anyone's parade but it's not resident answers and never will be.
Kitty Barnett
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02-05-2010 05:13
I only look at SLA every now and then and I don't usually ever see a cut-off point that extends beyond a handful of hours so I'd guess that a whole lot of questions are just getting lost in the "noise" or don't even get someone noticing them unless they're going out of their way to try (and waste an hour).

The level of questions also seems to be relatively... clueless. And the same kind of question over and over and over and over again.

A number of them also seem to be spin into general discussion and bickering (the remotely monitoring chat through a collar being a good example) so it would be hard to argue that LL is moderating it "Q&A only".
Ceera Murakami
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02-05-2010 06:53
I suspect that, if they do not create an open-use Resident Answers area in the Blogorum that allows anyone to post and allows long discussions, that the same thing will happen as when they sacked the "General Discussion" area in these forums.

Everyone in General Discussion simply selected another area, in that case, Resident Answers, and forcably took it over. So, Resident Answers became the defacto General discussion area.

In the Blogorums, the same thing is likely, If they do not give us an RA area, we'll take over any other area that we can get away with using for general discussion, regardless of it's "declared" intended use.

When people have a need, they find a way to satisfy that need. If what they need isn't there, they adapt the closest thing they can find, and change it to suit their purposes.
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02-05-2010 09:20
From: Ciaran Laval
SLA pains me, for a start I'm not a fan of SLA's!

Secondly Second Life Answers is simply frustrating. I know what they're trying to do there, Yahoo answers or Experts Exchange type of stuff, such a system probably does have a place but it simply irks me.

Linden Lab want Second Life Answers to work and it shows by how they curry favour with the most active participants, that may be a way of getting it to work but again I find it offputting. If it works for some then great, I'm not looking to rain on anyone's parade but it's not resident answers and never will be.


That stupid points game has got to go.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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02-05-2010 09:23
From: Brenda Connolly
That stupid points game has got to go.

Oh, agreed!!!

The worst thing is . . . I'm running a thread over there now, and I'm supposed to "award" points to posters??? Eeeep. Waaaaaaay too much responsibility. I mean, seriously, I hate it. :(
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02-05-2010 09:24
Thank You, Qie.
Scylla Rhiadra
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02-05-2010 09:44
From: Brenda Connolly
That stupid points game has got to go.

So, um . . . should I "award" you some points now?

What's it worth to ya, anyway???

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02-05-2010 09:52
From: Scylla Rhiadra
So, um . . . should I "award" you some points now?


You do and I will never speak to you again. Just like when we had ratings. people would say rate me and I'll rate you, and I always told them to go rate themselves.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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02-05-2010 10:02
From: Brenda Connolly
You do and I will never speak to you again. Just like when we had ratings. people would say rate me and I'll rate you, and I always told them to go rate themselves.

Yeeesh! Ok, ok!

I wonder what spinster would be willing to part with for 4 points . . . :p
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