What the SL community at large has taught me:
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Avil Creeggan
Crazy Stalker.
Join date: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 39
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10-08-2006 19:45
- There is no legitimate use for self-replicating objects, on any scale.
- All accounts which are unverified are griefers and grid attackers, and should be aborted on sight.
- It should cost 10 dollars to have the right to script, create objects, or otherwise participate in Second Life in any fashion aside from chat.
- Griefers are a venomous class which includes every single person that has ever remotely annoyed you, and are legally liable.
- Accounts should be limited to one address per IP or Hardware Hash, ignoring how easy it is to change both and how many duplicates of both exist.
- Free and unverified accounts are completely detrimental to the community, ignoring the fact that the pre-established verified community has gotten very hostile of it's own accord towards what is a fairly passive group of semi-established free accounts.
Continue with the idiocy it seems that these attacks promote amongst the community. Avil Creeggan Free Account
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Takuan Daikon
choppy choppy!
Join date: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 305
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10-08-2006 20:02
From: Avil Creeggan - There is no legitimate use for self-replicating objects, on any scale.
It might seem as if you have not well researched that particular item there very well, as there is a thread I started today about that topic (wherein I specifically asked whether there were legitimate uses) that has many replies that are completely the opposite of your conclusion. It seems that quite a few people feel very strongly that there are legitimate uses, and they give several good examples. [Edit] After re-reading your post, it seems that you are exaggerating perhaps everything except the hatred of unverified accounts, actually 
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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10-09-2006 05:23
- There is no legitimate use for self-replicating objects, on any scale. Incorrect. Art displays that cycle through different objects is one of the more mundane usages.
- All accounts which are unverified are griefers and grid attackers, and should be aborted on sight. Incorrect. Unverifieds are not always griefers and DoS attackers. It's the reverse that is the norm. Usually griefers and DoS attackers are unverifieds. Why? Because the accounts are easy to get and disposable.
- It should cost 10 dollars to have the right to script, create objects, or otherwise participate in Second Life in any fashion aside from chat. Debatable. I would prefer a simple verification (CC or otherwise) to trace all persons in SL, then allow only one account for free. All others MUST pay 10$ USD to be created.
- Griefers are a venomous class which includes every single person that has ever remotely annoyed you, and are legally liable. Taken to an extreme statement, but yes.
- Accounts should be limited to one address per IP or Hardware Hash, ignoring how easy it is to change both and how many duplicates of both exist. IP no. Hardware Hashing still needs work, but is a possibility. IMO CC information is still the best route. My concern is for those out of the US where CCs are not always easy to obtain, even for those over the age of 18.
- Free and unverified accounts are completely detrimental to the community, ignoring the fact that the pre-established verified community has gotten very hostile of it's own accord towards what is a fairly passive group of semi-established free accounts. Free acounts, no. They are not detrimental to the community at all. Unverifieds, yes. They have no tracability and therefore no accountability. The amount of persons "hostile" towards unverifieds is small. They just scream the loudest.
The cynicism was pretty heavy, but you did have some valid points on how the community portrays itself. I'll be pointing a few persons in LL to this post. Basically to ask if this is really how they want new Rresidents to view SL. Now....if they'll listen.... ~Jessy
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Diana Gable
Registered User
Join date: 2 Mar 2006
Posts: 3
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10-09-2006 05:55
Umm... I don't think Avil shares the opinions (s)he listed.... it's sarcasm, people, sarcasm. 
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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10-09-2006 06:10
* The latest update is always the worst update EVER
* Performance/lag/load time/griefing has NEVER been so bad
* "I am leaving SL" means "I am not leaving SL but I am going to moan incessantly"
* Blogs steal your soul
* There are a statistically unlikely number of professional programmers/customer service managers in SL, each and every one of whom in their professional opinion cannot BELIEVE the way that LL are running things, if they worked like that they'd be fired.
* There are also a statistically unlikely number of lawyers and economists.
* The most sensible and adult way to deal with downtime is to repeatedly post threads calling LL the worst company ever and the staff incompetent morons, because abuse is scientifically proven to motivate people and make them more open to communication and suggestions.
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Ordinal Malaprop
really very ordinary
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
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10-09-2006 06:11
or, to sum up
* Having an entitlement complex is a GOOD thing.
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Dr Tardis
Registered User
Join date: 3 Nov 2005
Posts: 426
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10-09-2006 09:14
let's not forget:
* my opinion is more important than everyone else's, or even the truth
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* because SL isn't "real", what I do on the grid or on the forums doesn't matter, so I can be as immature and childish as I want.
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Nakita Pawpaw
Registered User
Join date: 9 Oct 2006
Posts: 2
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10-09-2006 12:00
i have to agree that unvarified acounts will make it easyer to attack sl but as for having to use my credit card on a system that seems attacked so often i would not be happy in doing so maybe some other form of id verification could be used and i and i think so manny others would be happy to provide. just a thought dont mine me ^.^
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Jaren Deckard
Registered User
Join date: 31 May 2005
Posts: 43
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10-09-2006 12:04
From: Ordinal Malaprop * The latest update is always the worst update EVER
* Performance/lag/load time/griefing has NEVER been so bad
* "I am leaving SL" means "I am not leaving SL but I am going to moan incessantly"
* Blogs steal your soul
* There are a statistically unlikely number of professional programmers/customer service managers in SL, each and every one of whom in their professional opinion cannot BELIEVE the way that LL are running things, if they worked like that they'd be fired.
* There are also a statistically unlikely number of lawyers and economists.
* The most sensible and adult way to deal with downtime is to repeatedly post threads calling LL the worst company ever and the staff incompetent morons, because abuse is scientifically proven to motivate people and make them more open to communication and suggestions. Best POST of any kind EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVER!!! Though I don't like blogs so that one could be actually be true but as yet unverified.
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Hewee Zetkin
Registered User
Join date: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 2,702
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10-09-2006 16:03
Can someone please shut down this thread as it is not appropriate for this forum? Thank you.
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Lu Naumova
Registered User
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 13
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10-09-2006 16:16
I think there should be dedicated servers to paying players in the game. Set up a testing ground for the free accounts and when they decide to pay let them on the main server. Anyone vested in the game isn;t going to try to bring it down. The whole grid attack thing is stupid. I have been playing wow more now because SL is down so much.
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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10-09-2006 17:31
From: Lu Naumova I think there should be dedicated servers to paying players in the game. Set up a testing ground for the free accounts and when they decide to pay let them on the main server. Anyone vested in the game isn;t going to try to bring it down. The whole grid attack thing is stupid. I have been playing wow more now because SL is down so much. This is expressly the opposite of LL's purpose in creating SL. They want to create the 3D web, essentially. The extent to which they will succeed I do not know, but setting up a tiered system such as the one you suggest is just never going to happen given their goals.
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