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Stop to Put Boxes in Boxes!

Cocoanut Koala
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Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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03-03-2007 10:00
(For new players, that phrasing is sort of a long-running joke around here.)

But anyway, in my zeal to clean up my inventory, I packed up a lot of things in boxes.

But in one section, I went further and packed THOSE boxes into another box.

Last night I tried to drag out one of the boxes in a box and it said the database no longer had the information. Same with the others I tried.

Was it always this way, or is this a new thing? In any case, I would not advise anyone packing boxes of stuff in other boxes of stuff.

coco
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Gaybot Foxley
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Join date: 15 Nov 2006
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03-03-2007 10:36
Oh my gosh, what an anomaly. Kind of like two mirrors facing each other or the Bermuda triangle. I'm glad I didn't think of that, and thank you for the warning. :eek:
Alazarin Mondrian
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03-03-2007 10:46
I've safely packed alot of my surplus inventory in boxes, put them in boxes, etc., and not experienced any problems... so far. I'll have to check a few.
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tristan Eliot
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03-03-2007 10:49
I have heard of a few people losing alot of inventory because of that. Packing boxes in boxes.
Dellybean North
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Join date: 8 May 2006
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03-03-2007 10:54
ummm, I have a LOT of boxes in my slexchange boxes.. have not lost any of those yet....
Kitty Barnett
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03-03-2007 10:57
From: Cocoanut Koala
(Last night I tried to drag out one of the boxes in a box and it said the database no longer had the information. Same with the others I tried.
"Missing from database" happens when the asset server's "garbage collection" has a hick-up. It will mistakingly mark an asset as "orphaned" (no longer referenced/in use by anything/anyone) and place it in a sort of purgatory where it is no longer taking up space in the asset server, but it's not entirely gone.

Supposidly, whenever a "missing from database" error pops up it should start up a recovery proggie that fetches it back, which can take up to two hours. If after that, it's still missing, that's when they said to mail the Linden who's in charge of restoring missing assets (that particular case, not the general "*poof* & lost";) with either the asset id, or the exact location of where it is in your inventory.

It also highlights why putting anything in boxes is the worst way of keeping things "safe". When you have 100 things in inventory, that's 100 things that need to dissapear before you loose all of it. With 100 things in one box, only the box has to become lost for you to loose all of it.

(Edited to add that for things I no longer really need, or don't need cluttering up I'll just put them in a folder that starts with "z", which keeps it in inventory but all the way at the bottom where it doesn't really clutter things up)
Cocoanut Koala
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03-03-2007 12:08
Oh, well that's good to know!

I wouldn't email a Linden about these things, because they are all things I can live without. I managed to get my inventory down from 16k to 7k using boxes.

But no, I wouldn't store anything I really cared about this way, and certainly not in boxes within boxes.

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Bree Giffen
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Join date: 22 Jun 2006
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03-03-2007 16:55
I was thinking of just using a hud instead of a box to hold extra items. I was making a keypad hud which a basically a background prim and several smaller key/button prims placed in front of it so that when viewed in the hud it looks like a keypad. Now what if you use each of those key buttons as storage prims instead? Texture one button to look like a dress, a car, a piece of paper, and you get icons that can be opened to hold inventory. Ok it's a little tough to get to the contents of each since they are child prims but you don't have to worry about rezzing a no copy box on the ground or having to find land where rezzing is allowed.
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Tyci Kenzo
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03-03-2007 17:25
i have packed stuff into boxes and those items into boxes for over a year now and only had an issue once with some items i packed in abox from about 14 months ago and a few items i only had out once or twice and then packed away came up missing

other then that ive always done it with absolutely everything i own and its always been fine

why do i to it? it has been stated again and again huge inventories cause heavier loads on the asset servers

i never allow my inventory to go over 1800 to 2000 items i keep it all in neat lil sorted and organized boxes
Gillian Waldman
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03-03-2007 17:33
I use the Inventory Organizers from Thinc (I think)...I only use them for things I could stand to lose...like trees, flowers, etc. Clothes, hair, shoes etc., stay in my inventory proper ;)
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Porky Gorky
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03-03-2007 17:46
I have boxes in boxes in boxes in boxes...

Only once have I experienced this 'missing from database' error and found that the missing item returned the following day when i logged on.
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03-03-2007 23:48
Never carry all your boxes in one box?
Alaska Metropolitan
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03-04-2007 01:04
I put all my old textures in boxes then threw them all into a big box called "Textures". Guess what? "Textures" apparently has no contents and no permissions at all. I lost a fair amount of stuff; fortunately it's all on my hard drive as well. It'll rez, but nothing inside it will.
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Learjeff Innis
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03-04-2007 08:51
If objects inside objects were a common significant problem, things like guns and a number of other items with scripts that rez contents would fail frequently.
Gaybot Foxley
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03-04-2007 09:10
I imagine that this can be done without a terrible loss within reason. I bet if I put 40 items in a box and made 40 boxes each with 40 items in them; and then put those in a box it would confuse the asset server eventually especially if I continued the cycle 40 times, lol. I'm tempted to try it anyways though as I have thousands of textures, and I still want to lower my total inventory count.
Learjeff Innis
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03-04-2007 09:15
From: Gaybot Foxley
I imagine that this can be done without a terrible loss within reason. I bet if I put 40 items in a box and made 40 boxes each with 40 items in them; and then put those in a box it would confuse the asset server eventually especially if I continued the cycle 40 times, lol. I'm tempted to try it anyways though as I have thousands of textures, and I still want to lower my total inventory count.


Haha, you won't live long enough to do this 40 boxes deep!
Ceera Murakami
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03-04-2007 09:21
I put boxes inside of boxes all the time, and have never had a problem opening them and retrieving the contents.

However, when you box stuff like that, it's sort of like backing them up and storing them in the basement or attic - you soon forget those items exist, and there is no rational method, short of occasionally pawing through them, to find what you stored that way.

In RL, I've often come across a box I packed years earlier, labeled neatly, and when I realized that nothing in that box had mattered to me for 5 years or more, I usually just got rid of the contents. Unless it was special keepsakes, or such, like weding pictures or school diplomas and certificates.
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