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This would be a Great way to help kill camping

Rocketman Raymaker
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03-11-2007 03:37
From: Osprey Therian
Go and do THIS instead.


I checked this out and found out it is run by amazon so i didnt even need to sign up or anything as i already have an amazon account.
Anyway i did's few of their "mechanical tasks" which were quick and easy and it all wroked fine.

Now if they could integrate this within SL it would be even better as i would much prefer to get my earnings in Lindens rather save them up for something on amazon or to transfer to my account. That would take to long for too little compared to other work in RL, but in SL i would get a reasonable return if i was just trying to get a quick few lindens in order to buy an item i desired RIGHT NOW!!!
For what i did i got $0.01US and it took me about half a minute, now that would be about 2.5 lindens, much better than any camping situation. But i didnt get paid in lindens which i wish i could have.

I think someone should find a way to get this into SL and that would help get rid of camping maybe or at lease lessen the desire to camp(considering they could earn much more this way), i guess it is similar to the hippiepay machines, but i believe amazon is much more trustworthy and i know that they will only send me spam id i ask them to.

Does anyone know how this could be integrated within SL?
Anyone in SL workfor amazon who could tell their boss or bosses what a great ideaa this would be?
Sae Luan
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03-14-2007 10:19
lol
I messed with the amazon thing for a while...it took me about a month to make $30USD...No thanks. Then again, I don't camp either. ;)

Many people have already been trying to bring camping to a new level. My husband and I have created a thing known as Bonus Camping where, not only can the avatars move around and shop, but they get L bonuses for things like chatting with those around them, with the posibility to make over $10L every 10 minutes if they are keeping up with bonuses and taking part in the things I've placed around, like the random cash orb. It keep my campers active, shopping, playing games, chatting with the other campers, and I've noticed a trend of my campers actually making up their own games to play while camping! My campers actually start their own parties, all due to the features of our Bonus Camping. My camper has 4 slots (ccustomizable). If a camper comes to it and it is full, they touch it to get in line. You wouldn't think campers would wait in line while recieving no payment, but they seem to really enjoy my camping. Kick off time is an hour and most campers simply stay and get back in line. I don't know any detail of other camp things created so that campers don't just sit around, but we've tried to add everything to ours that we can think of and are still trying to come up with more fun things to add to it.

Anyway...my opinion is that you should keep your campers active. The only problem I have with most camping is that they just sit around idle,,can't even move.

*sorry for bringing the post from the dead*
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Osprey Therian
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03-14-2007 10:48
I didn't know you could make more that 30USD/month camping - amazing! Yes, it certasinly would be a tough call whether to do something useful or be a zombie if the zombie money was so great. </sarcasm>
Kamael Xevious
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03-14-2007 10:51
From: Sae Luan
Anyway...my opinion is that you should keep your campers active. The only problem I have with most camping is that they just sit around idle,,can't even move.


While I can see your point, the problem most of us have with camping is not resolved by this. Let's use an example:

Player A owns 32000 sq. meters of a sim and is using it as a personal estate--no traffic, just a nice place to live and play. There are about 200 scripts running on this parcel. Player A is paying $125 a month in tier for use of the sim server.

Player B owns 1024 sq. meters of a sim and is using it as a casino--traffic frequently hits 40 avatars (filling the sim). There are around 1400 scripts running on this parcel, spread between camping "equipment" of various types, gambling tables and slots, cut-out bartenders, megaphone scripts, dance floors, rotating club lights and so forth. Player B is paying $8 a month in tier for use of the sim server.

So why is Player A absolutely committed to the destruction of everything camping related and the lynching of casino owners? Because Player B is using 7 times the server resources that Player A is. Because Player A can't even get into his private estate on this sim because Player B is using all the sims resources to drive the traffic up in his business artificially, maxing out the number of available Avatar slots on the sim in the process. And to add insult to injury, Player A is paying over FIFTEEN times more for server maintenance than Player B is. In short, Player A is paying Player B's maintenance fees.

Now you may not think this is unfair, but I'd have to disagree with you--as would anyone who has been in a similar situation. Indeed, one of the chief criticisms leveled against Second Life by industry critics has been the unfair allocation of sim resources based on tier payments.

In short, make camping as attractive as you want, but it's still camping. And from where I'm sitting, you can staple fins to a dog, put a snorkle down its neck, drop it in an aquarium, and it's never EVER going to be a fish.

Kam
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Daisy Rimbaud
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03-14-2007 10:54
For me the whole business of camping is utterly bizarre. As I understand it, the point of putting in camping chairs is the supposition that people are drawn to spots on the map that have lots of little green dots. Therefore you increase your business.

But if I see a cluster of green dots on the map I stay well away! I don't want to get stuck in some horrible laggy area with a crowd of zombified strangers - or worse -

So does it really make sense?
Sae Luan
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03-14-2007 11:02
I don't do this on mainland. I never did. I hated people doing it on mainland. My camping is run on my PRIVATE island so it doesn't hurt other people's land. I'm extremely cautious about how I do things in SL. Anyone who knows me here knows that. I would never set up a 50 chair pod in mainland. I'm not an A$$hole. Besides as I stated, my bonus camp is customizable to allow how many chairs you want. I have 4 out for mine, which doesn't take up "all the sim resources." I could put out a ton as it is private island, but I'm doing it to give a little back, not lock up my sim 24/7. I understand that there are those out there that will set up as many as their parcel or island will hold. That is not something that I can control. I can however, put a product out that is designed to make the CAMPERS have a better experience. Camping won't just go away until LL outlaws it completely. Why not promote chatting and activities to those who are going to camp either way?
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03-14-2007 11:03
From: Daisy Rimbaud
For me the whole business of camping is utterly bizarre. As I understand it, the point of putting in camping chairs is the supposition that people are drawn to spots on the map that have lots of little green dots. Therefore you increase your business.

But if I see a cluster of green dots on the map I stay well away! I don't want to get stuck in some horrible laggy area with a crowd of zombified strangers - or worse -

So does it really make sense?

It's not for people exploring via the map. It's to increase the amount of Traffic that parcel of land shows, thus ranking it higher on searches and Top Places.
Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 11:05
From: Kamael Xevious
While I can see your point, the problem most of us have with camping is not resolved by this. Let's use an example:

Player A owns 32000 sq. meters of a sim and is using it as a personal estate--no traffic, just a nice place to live and play. There are about 200 scripts running on this parcel. Player A is paying $125 a month in tier for use of the sim server.

Player B owns 1024 sq. meters of a sim and is using it as a casino--traffic frequently hits 40 avatars (filling the sim). There are around 1400 scripts running on this parcel, spread between camping "equipment" of various types, gambling tables and slots, cut-out bartenders, megaphone scripts, dance floors, rotating club lights and so forth. Player B is paying $8 a month in tier for use of the sim server.

So why is Player A absolutely committed to the destruction of everything camping related and the lynching of casino owners? Because Player B is using 7 times the server resources that Player A is. Because Player A can't even get into his private estate on this sim because Player B is using all the sims resources to drive the traffic up in his business artificially, maxing out the number of available Avatar slots on the sim in the process. And to add insult to injury, Player A is paying over FIFTEEN times more for server maintenance than Player B is. In short, Player A is paying Player B's maintenance fees.

Now you may not think this is unfair, but I'd have to disagree with you--as would anyone who has been in a similar situation. Indeed, one of the chief criticisms leveled against Second Life by industry critics has been the unfair allocation of sim resources based on tier payments.

In short, make camping as attractive as you want, but it's still camping. And from where I'm sitting, you can staple fins to a dog, put a snorkle down its neck, drop it in an aquarium, and it's never EVER going to be a fish.

Kam



And you can extrapolate even more!

Avatar 1 through Avatar 15,000 all contribute / consume how they can to Second Life. Just want to enjoy it and have a fun and or meaningful online experiene.

Meanwhile Avatars 15.001 through 30,000 are camping zombies. Totally AFk all they are is a drain on the whole SL system. Increasing Lag, bogging down the assest server, making teleports hard, making bad log ins, etc.

So why do the Players who dont have avatars in the 15,001 - 30,000 group have a right to be annoyed? Becuase if it werent for campers SL would run Much better. Half the avatars logged into Second Life (15,001 thru 30,000) dont even need to be online at that moment!
Sae Luan
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03-14-2007 11:10
"So why do the Players who dont have avatars in the 15,001 - 30,000 group have a right to be annoyed? Becuase if it werent for campers SL would run Much better. Half the avatars logged into Second Life (15,001 thru 30,000) dont even need to be online at that moment!"


-this is really the point of what we have done(active avatars who would just sit around not having any reason to be there otherwise). If you want to boil it down, I'm paying 4 people at a time to be active and make the island more friendly and social to others coming in. I could come here to the forums and post an employment ad and hire 4 greeters paying the same, and I gaurantee you no one would say a word, but add camping to the name and it's different somehow. There's no difference than if I were to hire people instead of letting them make the money as they choose to come and go. I would still have the same 4 people taking up resources on my sim.
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03-14-2007 11:30
From: Sae Luan
"So why do the Players who dont have avatars in the 15,001 - 30,000 group have a right to be annoyed? Becuase if it werent for campers SL would run Much better. Half the avatars logged into Second Life (15,001 thru 30,000) dont even need to be online at that moment!"


-this is really the point of what we have done(active avatars who would just sit around not having any reason to be there otherwise). If you want to boil it down, I'm paying 4 people at a time to be active and make the island more friendly and social to others coming in. I could come here to the forums and post an employment ad and hire 4 greeters paying the same, and I gaurantee you no one would say a word, but add camping to the name and it's different somehow. There's no difference than if I were to hire people instead of letting them make the money as they choose to come and go. I would still have the same 4 people taking up resources on my sim.



Thats exactly the point, with a Greeter it's more a full time position, but what you're doing, people can come and go with this as they please.
Sae Luan
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03-14-2007 11:50
*raises her eyebrows*

This wasn't meant to be an arguement on camping really. If you don't like the way something works, you do something about it. I LOVE having new people come and go at my island. I truely enjoy standing around and playing the games they make up and chatting with them. If that's a crime in SL, I don't want a part of it.
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Kamael Xevious
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03-14-2007 11:54
From: Sae Luan
*raises her eyebrows*

This wasn't meant to be an arguement on camping really. If you don't like the way something works, you do something about it. I LOVE having new people come and go at my island. I truely enjoy standing around and playing the games they make up and chatting with them. If that's a crime in SL, I don't want a part of it.


Just to clarify, if you're doing it on a private sim that you own in toto, you're acting completely within your rights to have camping, and I fully support your efforts to make camping something more than sitting on a prim.

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Sae Luan
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03-14-2007 12:11
From: Kamael Xevious
Just to clarify, if you're doing it on a private sim that you own in toto, you're acting completely within your rights to have camping, and I fully support your efforts to make camping something more than sitting on a prim.

Kam


Thanks ;))
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Colette Meiji
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03-14-2007 12:18
paying 4 people to "clock in" and greet isnt camping its hiring

If its just temp/day labor - Its just temp/day labor

but its still employment.

but if being semi awake is part of the job requirement (saying hello, etc) - then this is one of the things SL needs more of.
Har Fairweather
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03-14-2007 13:20
I think the basic problem is still the traffic figures determining who is at the top of the Popular Places and similar lists. Somebody mentioned in another thread that he would look at profiles of other players and use their "picks" as a guide to where to explore next. I wondr how difficult it would be for LL to have a Google-like system of raqnking "Popular Places" etc. by profile picks?
Rocketman Raymaker
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03-14-2007 20:17
From: Daisy Rimbaud


But if I see a cluster of green dots on the map I stay well away! I don't want to get stuck in some horrible laggy area with a crowd of zombified strangers - or worse -




If i see a big cluster of green dotys i usually run towards it to see wht it is. A lot of the time its just a whole lot campers but recently i have been to quite afew places that sre just genuinely busy. Lucky chairs and mobile vendors seem to do a lot to attract actual traffic(not campers) as long as there prizes are substantial.

The odd thing about this is i seem to end up in alot of womens clothing stores and am the only man there.
Anyone know any shops with something similar but for men rather than women. I have no need fro the dress that i scored from the lucky chair even though it is a very nice dress.

Pity it is no transfer or i could give it to one of my female friends.
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03-15-2007 00:03
From: Daisy Rimbaud
For me the whole business of camping is utterly bizarre. As I understand it, the point of putting in camping chairs is the supposition that people are drawn to spots on the map that have lots of little green dots. Therefore you increase your business.

But if I see a cluster of green dots on the map I stay well away! I don't want to get stuck in some horrible laggy area with a crowd of zombified strangers - or worse -

So does it really make sense?


Yes , I often go to where heaps of dots are because I'm in SL to meet people, if they are campers, I try say hello if they asnwer I might give them stuff or some decent cash.