can you track someone else's camera?

Hi

Someone told me that they heard you could track another person's camera - i.e. see what they are looking at. Is this true? I've looked through all the preferences etc. but can't see anything like that.

It would be useful to know if the person you are talking to is actually looking at you or zooming off 10 miles to look at some shop! Or even worse, looking up your kilt...

Thanks.

it's possible to script objects that can track or control an agent's camera but in each case permission must be given my the avie.

Yes, it is possible using llGetCameraPos and llGetCameraRot, however it is not possible without them explicitly granting the script permission to do it. (PERMISSION_TRACK_CAMERA)

As long as they're responding to the conversation appropriately, what does it matter what they're actually looking at?

the simple way is to choose "show look at" from the client debug menu. then you see a crosshair where someone else is looking. you don't know who it is, but if there are few people around, elimination

Just to be exact, a script can track an agent's camera, but it cannot control it in a restrictive way. A script can move your default camera, but you can always reposition your camera yourself using alt+view even if a script has control.

Thanks everyone for the camera answers.

I think Parker's idea must be what my friend was talking about and I've managed to get that to work.

Ann - those were just some examples. You might also like to know if someone is having a nosey round your house etc.

Thanks everyone!

Ah, both my security orb and MystiTool radar tell me if anyone is within 96m of my house or self...I resist the urge to do anything provocative if they are. Of course, people can ogle from farther out, but I can't do anything about that, so I just pretend I'm always alone if no one is on the radar. lol

I have submitted a JIRA proposal to deal with this omission. It proposes allowing a right-click on the camera-position marker to give the same information you would get by clicking on the avatsr doing the observing. I figure they know who you are, why shouldn't you know who they are? For those who value their privacy and have Peeping Toms who know how stand and watch from more than 96m away, I think this could prove very useful. In time, I suspect it might cut down on the number of spiers too; when they know they can be identified it has got to make a difference.

When you get a chance, please go over to JIRA and vote for VWR-1807.

P.S. Check out VWR-1806 too. That one would be even more valuable.

How about just floating text with the name of the avie it belongs to above each cross? It should be far easier to implement and stands a better chance of getting implemented that way .

I'm not sure, but I think it's more of a courtesy for the viewer to indicate the proper location of the camera to the sim so the absence of a cross doesn't really mean someone couldn’t be watching with a modified viewer.

I discovered the "show look at" by accident and was pretty embarrased by all the zooming in close I used to do as a newbie on some avs faces and outfits (to help me tweak my own). I wonder how many people knew.

I also discovered "show touch" which renders the idea that no one can tell if they're being profiled a bunch of hooey.

Now I'm worried there's a script that tells people what's in my inventory or what I'm thinking. -- KC

There is something that can do that, KC, but it's not a script. It's called either a wife or a girl friend.

*sigh*. Here we go with the privacy stuff again. Privacy and virtual reality do not mix. Sorry. You really want both? Buy a private island. Lock it down so no one can go there. Then you might have some degree of privacy. You can't have privacy on the mainland. Camera panning power eliminates it as an option. Understand that even if you were the center of the region, anyone in yours or near the border of any of the bordering regions can see what you are doing if they chose to. Its not likely to change.

SL is already complex and buggy. The more junk people call for to facilitate this non-existent "privacy" stuff, the more bloated and complex it will become.

Fascinating, I will play with it. Show touch is interesting too.

SL: it's all about the upskirting

That's the way it is now, Starbuckk, but it doesn't have to be that way. There are a number of JIRA proposals for improving privacy - take a look at SVC-99 for a couple of options.

Privacy is a relative thing. It doesn't have to be absolute to be a very good thing to have. In fact, I urge everybody to go check out SVC-99 and the other privacy proposals (gathered and linked at SVC-241) and vote for them!

I found 'show look at' in the client debug menu, but where is 'show touch?'

I've searched high and low, but I'm guessing it's probably right under my nose.

Show Touch? Oooooo!! Maybe we'll get Show Bad Touch too!!!

Sorry - it's really called "Show Point at." under Character. I had the terminology wrong. In my viewer, Show Look at is a blue cursor and Show Point At is dusty pink.

Maybe it isn't really showing what I touch, but it seems to.
--KC

I went to a welcome area to check this out a bit, and found it very interesting. BUT... I also found it is not entirely accurate.

Because most of my SL activities involve photography, I'm pretty handy with moving the camera around with the keyboard. I definitely saw the "show look at" crosshairs move to where I had set my focus point with the mouse, but using ctrl-alt-shift with the arrow keys actually moved my camera away from there. Then, staying on the keyboard, I could pan the camera around anywhere.

I cruised over to a welcome area where it wouldn't be unusual to be looking closely at people and gave it a try. I set my focus on a planter on one side, and then started moving the camera with the keyboard. At one point I was right up in someone's face, but in the corner of my screen, could still see my so-called focus point sitting on that planter over 30m away! Just to be sure it was mine, I used the mouse to reset my focus point, and the one on the planter instantly disappeared.

I'm not sure if my actual av was looking toward the focus point or at the place where my camera was actually looking, but as she was over half a sim away, just gazing in a particular direction would not be enough to indicate where my actual focus was.

So in other words, even the "show look at" feature can be cheated, and therefore is pretty useless for privacy purposes.

Please go check out the SVC-99 in JIRA - and vote for it. I think it will take care of this workaround as well.

Gee... I'm not entirely sure which way is worse, w.r.t. "privacy." Being able to see when others are looking at me seems like it protects my privacy, but having everybody else be able to see what I'm looking at seems like an invasion of my privacy. "My privacy, my imagination."

A reasonable question. I would suggest that if you are observing in a public place, either people won't mind, or if they do, you get a chance to strike up a conversation with them. If you are clearly invading their privacy, OTOH, seems to me you'd be getting what you deserve. Same works the other way around for you, too, you know.

Yeah, but I kinda prefer not to know that the person with whom i'm having an intimate conversation is secretly admiring the tapestries, and I'd really prefer they not know I'm assessing the landscape for possible terraforming, in those long typing pauses between sweet nothings. (But in fact my secret is already exposed: apparently my eyes follow the cursor of whatever script I'm working on at the time, so tracking my cam focus wouldn't add much insult to the injury.)

So don't activate Show ALL. Hopefully your partner will be wise enough to do the same. When it comes to intimate situations, there can be such a thing as too much knowledge. Why do you think people close their eyes when they kiss?

(You do close your eyes don't you?)

(Qie checks to see.) Apparently so. But now the cam lens is all blurry.