Determing reason for no entry barrier?

I've recently had a couple of people ask me, in two different places, how they could get into an area that I got into with no trouble. I didn't figure out the reason in time to answer them, but now I'm pretty sure the reason is that they had no payment info on file, and I do.

Is there any way to determine that for sure, short of asking the owners? There are certainly newbies who don't mean any harm (I'm one, myself), but get really confused over such things. If they knew the reason, they wouldn't waste time trying to figure a way in, and they may even decide it's worth providing the payment info.

Thanks,

Click on the land and select About Land and look at the options settings the owner has placed on the land, it will show what options they have checked.

Hi Kidd

The reason I've heard most for not allowing "No Payment Info on File" is for parcels with mature content. There have been concerns raised about the fact that LL no longer requires any sort of age verification for entry into the Adult Grid. Therefore, people with worries of any sort of legal action have (unhappily) gone that route.

I can't think of any other, aside from griefers using multiple free account alts to constantly bombard a sim, maybe.

That's all I got. Hope it was helpful

Dea

OK, now I'm at a loss to figure out what's going on.

I tried looking at both places, and neither had any of the boxes checked for banning by payment status. One had no one listed in the banned individuals box, while I don't remember the names of the guy who asked about the other place, so I don't know if he's on the list.

What other reasons might there be for someone to be kept out? This is no longer making any sense to me.

Thanks

The options checked on land don't always show accurately for you, if you have not got permission yourself to change them. I live on a parcel owned by a friend. I've had times where I looked at a setting, and saw one thing, and she looked at it and saw other boxes checked. What she saw, as a person with the ability to change those settings, was correct. What I saw was inaccurate.

She has people with no payment info blocked, because there is a newbie freebie give-away site in the sim next door. We have found out the hard way that if we don't lock out NPI individuals, we are constantly inundated with clueless newbies who can't seem to grasp the concept that people in SL might actually consider their home and the land that they paid good money for to be more private than the mall food court. I know a lot of NPI people are fine folk. But there are WAY too many griefers and generally clueless kids that join SL with no ID, and only want to cause trouble. So unfortunately, we have to assume that if a person is unable or unwilling to provide ID, that there is a far higher probability that they are a troublemaker or an underage Player.

I have payment info on file, so I am coming to shoot you with guns.

No, I'm not really going to do that. Seriously though, there should be an island sim for paranoid people who don't want anyone ever to visit their land. Or at least a continent with no welcome zones or help areas, so new people won't trouble you with their clueless ways.

Newbies are like immigrants. At first they need a little education in the ways of the world.

And then they take your job.

Such islands already exist. I know because I own one - its restricted so that only members of the groups that own land on it can visit it. The people who got the land from me got it deeded to group, and they control the island's access list by controlling group membership. The only way to get on the island at all is to get the personal approval of one of the land owners.

Out of *all* the islands I own, that island gives me the least trouble of all of them. Neighbours get along fine as they respect each others' privacy, griefers can't get to the island, and generally, all is good.

I'm not saying that *all* places should be like that. SL would lose a lot if it lacked truly public places. I am simply saying that such private spaces exist and they have some measure of popular support behind them.

Trouble is Oh is the old 'shades of grey'.
Whilst I in an area of residences get relatively little traffic and being the sociable hobbit I am, I welcome visitors, verifed or not, all are welcome. I can only spare a little time in-world at a time so dip into chats and questions happily.
Some folk at the other end of the spectrum are creators who need to concentrate on a troublesome script or a laggy object and need the quiet. They may have bought their land before the freebie mall or casino opened next door and thus have to use the only tools available to them to restore some peace?

But come and shoot me and you'll get ejected and banned!

Excuse me for butting in with an unrelated question. Can you give someone the permission to set "Home" on your parcel, other than by deeding the parcel to a group and having your friend join the group?

I don't think there is any other way but how about this for a workround;

Create a folder in inventory such as *favourites*. The asterisk will place it above 'a' if sorted on alphabet. Into this, put your favourite landmarks including the one you want as 'home'

Then with two clicks you can open inventory, open folder, then right-click home and teleport.

From login screen you can always type in the area to start in.
Hope this helps.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I often am, and I'm not in game to check, but isn't there an "allow others to set to home" tick box in the land menu? As long as it's ticked, they should be able to do so and then they just need to either World > Go Home, or map > go home.

But I may be misremembering.

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LOL well that could be another instance of their little-publicized new features!

I know a couple of weeks back there was a problem with groups setting home.

True. On my old land, I used to have a brightly-coloured roadsign that would teleport anyone who touched it to the lounge area of the Academy of Second Learning in Eson.

I'm now trying to figure out a more elegant way of directing people to things they want. For example, if the roadsign could pop up a message asking them if they want to a) learn about building, b) go to a dance club, c) go to a newbie welcome area, etc.

My two main obstacles to doing this are:
1. I don't know anything about scripting.
2. I'm not willing to learn anything about scripting.

An "allow others to set to home" tick box in the land menu, if it exists, would allow ANYONE that you have not explicitly banned to set their home point on your land, including griefers and complete strangers. May as well tear down your walls and stand naked in an open field.

If you set up a group, one of the group privileges that can be set on a per-person basis is the ability to set your home point on land that belongs to that group. I've used a personal 'property management' group that way in the past, to allow friends to set their home point on my land. However, this function got broken recently, and now isn't working reliably.

If a wall or a locked door could actually keep someone out of a building in SL, I'd be far more inclined to allow newbies with no payment info to enter my land. But the simple fact is that they all too often walk right in as if they own the place, or as if anything you might be doing is a public freak show being staged for their personal amusement. One can only put up with just so many incidents of clueless strangers attempting to build their new home on your front lawn, or dancing naked on your bed inside your house, or behaving in otherwise uncivil manner, before one gets fed up with it and puts up a big fence.