Straight answer from the Lindens

I would like a straight yes or no answer from the Lindens...

Are Sploders banned or not? No guess work, no maybe... Yes or no and from the Lindens.

Thank you

Rofl

I'm pretty sure straight answers from the Lindens are against the TOS.

Why do you think they will suddenly start doing things like that?

The forums have been over this "straight answer" stuff for various topic over and over and over. It's just not going to happen. Doing so would limit their ability to make case-by-case decisions on if the rules are being broken.

If you're REALLY worried about it, don't use them. If, like me, you think sploders might be tolerated, continue to use them. If LL doesn't like them, you should get a warning then a suspension before they're take any drastic action.

edit: also, if you do an "open letter signed by everybody and their dog" and try to force LL to issue a blanket ruling on sploders, I guarantee that they will say "no sploders." People should really stop pushing on this issue - if you're worried, don't use them. It's that simple.

I'm taking a "don't ask/don't tell" approach to the 'sploders. I still see them in my favorite haunts, and will keep playing them until they go bye bye.

Case "each 'sploder could be my last" Munro

I would say No Sploders arent banned i heard from a relyable source , not stating names but Sploders are not gambling , i would assume they fall under a auction,raffle

You pay in, and pay out is decided by random numbers. This is explicitly banned by the policy. There is no guesswork.

well considering a place I went to a couple of times had their Exploder deleted (accordin to the land owner) I would say your reliable source must have a Day job at Ginko.

The *amount* of pay out is decided by randomity, not the *chance* of it. Regardless if you like it or not, there's plenty of space for discussion until and official confirms or denies it.

you will never get a straight answer.

The Linden who comes to delete your Sploder probably wont even give you one.

Doesn't matter. If what you said made a difference, you could program a slot machine where the player was guaranteed a payout of at least $1 for every $10 they put in.

Answer to a support ticket with the question if sploders are okay or not: "We won't tell.".

hehe really?

wouldnt surprize me at all

Yes, really.

Every case is suppose to be reviewed as reported (so I guess we will see gambling a long time to come).
After all. all because something is named "Sploders" does not make it gambling. And anything that states "Legal and Approved by Linden Lab" don't mean a thing either. The items can stay in place until told to be removed by LL, regardless of what you think.

Randomity?

From a mathematical perspective, the chance of payout and the amount of payout are the same thing. Consider that the amount could be zero, and the question of do you or do you not win anything isn't particularly relevant.

If Linden Labs wants to make rules, then it has the responsibility to explain the rules. That's that. I have a contract with Linden Labs- supposedly- about the services to be provided. I expect to be provided those services as long as I act within the terms of that contract. That's what a contract is, an exchange of promises. I expect not to have service denied to me for "secret" reasons.

'Sploders are not case-by-case decisions. They were the same way everywhere from what I can tell. They are the same script. There's no case-by-case decision to be made here. The decision is as easy as Poker.

The reason that you aren't going to get an answer from Linden Labs is because they know they drafted the wagering prohibition poorly. They did not intend to ban 'Sploders, but it clearly fits within their definition of that which is banned. Answering "yes" embarasses them one way, answering "no" embarasses them another, and they are avoiding embarassment.

No, it is not fair at all to Linden Labs' customers to essentially take a position of use the 'Sploders at your own risk, we'll decide whether they are prohibited after we ban you.

I know that that problem with making a definite statement is that it prevents one from being shifty later. But that's the tough responsibility that Linden Labs undertook when it entered into contracts with its customers and started taking their money.

You think that they're only made by one person and that there's only one version of the product and that every customer has set it up the same way?

I know I've been paid by these things even when I have *not* paid anything in. How does that violate the new rule?

They will if you have a item you thing is a gambling device file a support ticket request.

All the gambling owners have received warnings. No one been banned.

Was that the full response? Was anything else said?

I haven't seen one that paid me when I didn't pay anything in. Every one I have seen works like this: (1) Pay x dollars (2) and at some time (number of people entering, time countdown) (3) you will received a random amount of the pot. I think it would be very easy to rule on that, which seems to be a prevalent variant of the Sploder.

If there are ones that pay money to people who haven't paid money to play, I think it's an easy distinction to make. "The ones in which persons have to pay money to receive money violates the wagering policy."

Ok.. What about ones that, say, use a certain random chance to pay people who didn't add to the pot and a slightly higher random chance for those that did add to the pot?

Who would pay into that pot?

People who have some extra L$ and don't mind spreading it around?

Well if Elex were a Linden for sure...

PS Lovely Place Ann. Thanks for letting us use it.