Question Re Home and Group

Can Group members set home to Group owner's home with out the land being held in common?

I believe it is one of the choices you as the owner can select in your member settings for specific roles and abilities, to allow members to landmark property, and set property to home. I'm not inworld right now to check where it is for sure that you do you. Look at your group info, and go from there.

Princess Ivory

Thank you - I shall do so.

It seems I must start by deeding land to the Group. I had not done that because I am sketchy as to what I need to do in regards. Particularly where knowing abut the members' land allotment or group land alottment - I am not sure of the verbiage. As you can see, I have much to learn.

This is something I find annoying to say the least. You have to deed the land to a group simply to allow people in your group to set that parcel to their home. As deeding land to a group can have financial implications if you're not careful, this is a step you shouldn't need to take for a non financial matter.

I have heard other people suggest that you landmark the land, and return to it right before logging out. Then when you log in again, select "my last location" instead of "home" and you will come inworld right on that land. So it's kind of like having it be home, but not quite. Not a perfect solution, but not too bad either. You could have your friends do it that way.

Princess Ivory

Out of curiosity, since I havent tried this...does this work if you just *set* the land to the created group? I could test it somewhere if no one else has, saving someone from being forced to deed land at least.

No, you have to actually deed the land. Simply setting it does not work. I have tested it extensively about three months ago (and was pretty miffed about it, frankly).

One of the problems, at least at the time I was testing, was that some documentation still said "setting" was enough, while others said "deeding" was necessary. My understanding was that LL meant to make "setting" be enough, but that it didn't work, so they declared requiring "deeding" to be a feature and not a bug.

Frankly I can't understand why it even has to be tied to group. Like building, object entry, and scripting, I'd like "setting home" to be an option that a land owner can allow for anyone, a group, or just the owner. Can you imagine how nice that would be for the newbie-help places or other public facilities?

I remember we talked about setting versus deeding in another thread recently. So what exactly, if anything, is "setting" good for?

Princess Ivory

I have all my land "set" to a group that is just me and my alts. Although it doesn't allow setting the home location (grrrrr!), other group features work.

The one of most concern to me is auto-return... it won't autoreturn anything set to the group. I can also set it to allow me and my alts to build on the land, but not anyone else.

Another thing that does NOT work is rezzing Linden trees and grasses. Only the owner of a parcel can do that, so it must be deeded to the group if you want others in your group to have that ability.

Well, crud...this is really dumb, having to set your land to a group to do just about *everything* that you would think a private owner could do on their own. I'd say there needs to be some fixes to this, but I'd hate to see what else we might lose if they start messing with owner rights

See, the thing is, my friends and I are all pretty new to this but have jumped in with both feet. I bought the land, another is the creative genius and the third is finding her niche. Regadless, these are people I trust and just want to share my home with them. Setting a Landmark maybe essentialy the same, but it does not have the sentimental ties that actually owning and sharing together would.

It may sound silly, but I find my self more and more involved in SL everyday and it just seems like these folks are family, you know? So anyway -that is the reasoning behind it. I guess I will find a work around or something - it is only for my own emotional comfort really, since neither have asked for any special privilige and do not even know about my wanting to do this.

Anyway - glad to have the discussion. Perhaps a little brainstorming will cause some enlightment.

You have to deed the land to the group to allow people to set their Home there.

But you don't have to leave it that way.

You can parcel off the minimum amount on the edge of your land, deed it, allow people to set their Homes, and then sell it back to yourself for L$1. (Exercise ordinary care when selling the land. Take your time, and make sure that you read through everything in the dialog boxes, and you'll be fine.)

If you happen to own an island, you can deed any parcel, allow people to set their Home, and then simply Reclaim it.

In either case, the fact that it's no longer deeded won't affect Home locations that have already been set.

(And yes, Setting it used to be enough, but it hasn't been for more than a year now.)

Hope this helps!

OK - so help with deeding then - any dangers there? I mean of land going poof or something? What do I need to be aware of firts befor doing it in oorder to not screw it up? I read it in preparation of doing it but got cold feet at the end.

It worked for me and two friends who have free accounts. I set the land to Group but didn't deed it. They then set Home to Here and although the little window came up saying they couldn't set home there, it is where they come inworld when the menu says start at home and its where they go when they click Go Home on the map. As well, it is marked as home for them on the map.

So it worked for us.

Ensure that only you or the people you can trust can set the land for sale.

They're tenants though, some are friends, some just talk to me about land issues. They rightly want to be able to set land they rent as home because it is their home. Deeding is the only real option right now.

Well - we are going to sit down and hash it all out and see what land rights each user needs to have available and what decides that and there is a lot to read and learn - we have some homework to do to get it right. And, as if all that were not enough - there is crappy store materialised next to me before I could buy that pot and thothers in my immediate vicinity - adjacent actually, are much higher priced then my two plots. I had hoped to Hold a larger space but does not seem possible geographically.

The jira for making it possible for group members to Set Home to land set (not just deeded) to group is in case anyone should want to vote.

This got so frustrating that I eventually investigated deeding land to group--and, if one is careful, this is really not such a bad option. Now that groups only require 2 members, one can make a freebie alt, create a "private" group for L$100, and deed land to a group consisting of yourself and, uh, yourself. As a kind of bonus, the Lindens discount land deeded to a group by 10% when computing tier limit.

But buying and selling group-deeded land requires some care and alertness, to be sure not to accidentally overrun individual tier limits nor to inadvertently distribute all the proceeds of a land sale among group members.

As for having less than the desired amount of contiguous land... patience is often rewarded. And as the Lindens merrily mint new continents, land prices are already noticeably slumping on both mainland and estates.

Thanks for the link to the Jira. I don't want the extra land bonus that having a group entails, I feel like I'm cheating the system as my land isn't really group owned, I own it, I take the financial responsibilites.

I will definitely be looking forward to the additional land.

One thing to make sure of is that no one else in the group can sell the land. Check permissions and roles very carefully. Also have at least one of your alts also a member of the group, so that it can't get down to only one member.