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Question On Grouped Owned Land

Esch Snoats
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Join date: 2 May 2006
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02-04-2007 21:44
A friend of mine manages a sim and he has 15 parcels of land that he rents out to people that is group owned by the main group of the sim. Each person renting pretty much has full control over the parcel, but they are only renting it. He also has a couple officers that need to control the settings of the parcels.

For some really bizarre reason, he was told by several people that the only way to give control to the tennants for -just- their own parcel is to create an entirely seperate group for each parcel and give them all the perms. This seems ok on the surface, unless you're an officer over the sim, then you have this insanely inefficient way of accessing the parcels because now you have to join 15 individual groups in order to manage all the parcels. That does not make any sense to me and there has to be a way to set this up with just one or two groups instead of 15 individual ones.

So is there a way to give each tennant full or partial control over their own parcel they are renting, but they won't have any control over any other group owned land in the sim, plus keep this all to within one or two groups so that an officer of the group has a blanket "has control over every parcel" control without having to join 15 individual groups? Any advice is appreciated, thanks!!!!

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Dnate Mars
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02-04-2007 23:42
Is it a mainland sim or a island sim?
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Esch Snoats
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02-05-2007 00:08
Island sim
Esch Snoats
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02-05-2007 09:23
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Yumi Murakami
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02-05-2007 10:38
From: Esch Snoats

For some really bizarre reason, he was told by several people that the only way to give control to the tennants for -just- their own parcel is to create an entirely seperate group for each parcel and give them all the perms. This seems ok on the surface, unless you're an officer over the sim, then you have this insanely inefficient way of accessing the parcels because now you have to join 15 individual groups in order to manage all the parcels. That does not make any sense to me and there has to be a way to set this up with just one or two groups instead of 15 individual ones.


These people are unfortunately perfectly correct. The powers you can assign to group members are all based on ability to manipulate all the land owned by that group. There is no way to divide a group's land between different roles. Most rental landlords set just a single group for all their land and depend on trust and manual enforcement to keep people within their own areas.

However, you mentioned that the land is on an island. If this is the case, as long as the landlord is the Estate Owner or an Estate Manager, he can simply sell or transfer or deed the land to the tenants directly. This will give them full control over the parcel. Although the Estate Owner/Manager will not be able to manipulate the land unless they are a member of the group, Second Life still remembers that it is their island, so they can reclaim owneship of the land at any time (and then, having done so, give it back)
Sterling Whitcroft
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Join date: 2 Jul 2006
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02-05-2007 17:42
Hi, Esch!
Yumi is right about the Private Islands. That's exactly how I 'lease' properties. After tenants pay the rental, I 'sell' them the land for L$1... They then have FULL powers with these exceptions:
no major Terraforming, (not unlike the mainland limits),
no subdividing or resale (to keep people from leasing from me, but then scamming others by pretending to 'sell' them land.)

And
{ Since these are private islands and I can reclaim the properties, I believe in 'lease', not 'sell'. A big upfront payment just seems unethical. I 'do' however require a 4 week initial lease period. }


In addition, I have a GROUP that lessors are invited to join. (just one group). This group gives them access to the 'shared/common facilities.' The Lessors can certainly set up their own groups for their friends, etc., but its for their convenience, not mine.

My experience on the mainland can confirm Yumi also. One group was used by all the renters. As a result, 'Yes', I could go build something on my neighbor's balcony, but that never happened. In a typical community, you'd know the Avitar in the apartment next door, so if he leaves litter around, it doesn't take long for people to catch on.
Meantime, the landlord did go around occasionally and manually check the Object count on the SIM to see if any renter had exceeded his Prim count. (I suppose all the renters could have piled just one apartment full of their prim alotments, but, that's not a problem if that's how they all want to use their prim alotment. Again, its sort of self regulating.) It never became an issue. Recently, some tools have been discussed on the script forums which automated the landlord's review of prim counts...In sum, I'd be very surprised if more than one group was REALLY required--but this is SL, so who knows?