Second Life Forums Archive - Has the LL Blog become the new General Forum?

Susie Boffin

Certified Nutcase

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 2,151

11-19-2006 19:13

It sure seems that way. Now people are debating their personal points of view with personel attacks thrown in for good measure.

_____________________

"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau

Latonia Lambert

Registered User

Join date: 24 Jul 2004

Posts: 425

11-19-2006 23:00

LL closed General so people feel the need to post somewhere else.

Daisy Rimbaud

Registered User

Join date: 12 Oct 2006

Posts: 764

11-20-2006 08:09

Usually here.

Lewis Nerd

Nerd by name and nature!

Join date: 9 Oct 2005

Posts: 3,431

11-20-2006 08:16

Simple solution is to give us back the forums.

Lewis

_____________________

Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today!

Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

11-20-2006 08:46

I am so glad I don't have to moderate the blog.

_____________________

Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Seola Sassoon

NCD owner

Join date: 13 Dec 2005

Posts: 1,036

11-20-2006 10:11

From: Strife Onizuka

I am so glad I don't have to moderate the blog.

I don't mind voicing displeasure, but people get ticked off when they lock the comments, and others get ticked off at personal attacks. LL can't win. I don't agree with a lot that LL does, but I think they should close comments once it gets to personal attacks on them, or any resi.

Rotary Fan

Registered User

Join date: 23 Jun 2006

Posts: 190

11-20-2006 13:01

Simpler and more economical solution is to get rid of the user forums entirely, including the content creation forums.

This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish.

_____________________

Name: Rotary Fan Born: 6/23/06
Resident • No Payment Info On File

Boycott Youtube - the video ads suck.

Ishtara Rothschild

Do not expose to sunlight

Join date: 21 Apr 2006

Posts: 569

11-20-2006 13:28

From: Susie Boffin

It sure seems that way. Now people are debating their personal points of view with personel attacks thrown in for good measure.

Well, debating and discussing can't be wrong. LL is looking for input there, aren't they? Some questions only arise due to a discussion. Personel attacks are going too far of course.

Ishtara Rothschild

Do not expose to sunlight

Join date: 21 Apr 2006

Posts: 569

11-20-2006 13:31

From: Rotary Fan

Simpler and more economical solution is to get rid of the user forums entirely, including the content creation forums.

This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish.

Well, closing official forums is never a good idea, imho. It shows that a company has no ear for their customers and doesn't like criticism. They get a lot of input here, even if it's sometimes only the overall mood of the community.

Kitty Barnett

Registered User

Join date: 10 May 2006

Posts: 5,586

11-20-2006 14:35

From: Rotary Fan

This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish.

Venting and ranting (unless it degrades into personal attacks) might not give a good outside impression, but it does serve an important function. Closing general caused the blog to turn into the place-to-be for that and to some extent Resident Answers or Linden Answers. If they close RA then LA will get swamped and the content creation forums will become useless because the noise level will just get too much for helpful discussion or Q&A. To a whole lot of people those forums are invalueable because it gets them the answers/help they'd otherwise quite possibly never get unless they knew the right person in-world.

There's probably quite a few people who enjoy fuelling the flames, but I'd bet that for the most part angry/upset posters feel better once they hit the submit button because they had a way to vent whatever was bugging them and know that someone is going to end up reading it and that's enough already. Or maybe I'm just being very naive

.

I don't see migration to resident-run forums ever happening, if only because it takes an extra effort to sign up (that's what would keep me from moving over anyway

), except maybe for small communities of people who already have some way of communicating with each other anyway.

Cottonteil Muromachi

Abominable

Join date: 2 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,071

11-20-2006 14:40

From: Ishtara Rothschild

Well, closing official forums is never a good idea, imho. It shows that a company has no ear for their customers and doesn't like criticism. They get a lot of input here, even if it's sometimes only the overall mood of the community.

The forums weren't closed down because they didn't want to hear our feedback and criticism. It was closed due to repeated violations of the TOS and countless parody and meaningless threads, which proved too much for them to handle. Basically it collapsed due to resident abuse.

Regarding the so called 'feedback', many of the caustic comments about LL that the residents say here, they would probably not say them in a similar manner to a Linden in person. Listening to some of the residents that called in to the recent townhall, they tend to turn into a slobbering mess. Its always easy to be caustic when hiding behind the forums.

Linden Lab is hiring. Maybe some here might want to apply for some of the support positions?

Has the LL Blog become the new General Forum?
Susie Boffin Certified Nutcase Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,151	11-19-2006 19:13 It sure seems that way. Now people are debating their personal points of view with personel attacks thrown in for good measure. _____________________ "If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
Latonia Lambert Registered User Join date: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 425	11-19-2006 23:00 LL closed General so people feel the need to post somewhere else.
Daisy Rimbaud Registered User Join date: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 764	11-20-2006 08:09 Usually here.
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	11-20-2006 08:16 Simple solution is to give us back the forums. Lewis _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	11-20-2006 08:46 I am so glad I don't have to moderate the blog. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Seola Sassoon NCD owner Join date: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 1,036	11-20-2006 10:11 From: Strife Onizuka I am so glad I don't have to moderate the blog. I don't mind voicing displeasure, but people get ticked off when they lock the comments, and others get ticked off at personal attacks. LL can't win. I don't agree with a lot that LL does, but I think they should close comments once it gets to personal attacks on them, or any resi.
Rotary Fan Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 190	11-20-2006 13:01 Simpler and more economical solution is to get rid of the user forums entirely, including the content creation forums. This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish. _____________________ Name: Rotary Fan Born: 6/23/06 Resident • No Payment Info On File Boycott Youtube - the video ads suck.
Ishtara Rothschild Do not expose to sunlight Join date: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 569	11-20-2006 13:28 From: Susie Boffin It sure seems that way. Now people are debating their personal points of view with personel attacks thrown in for good measure. Well, debating and discussing can't be wrong. LL is looking for input there, aren't they? Some questions only arise due to a discussion. Personel attacks are going too far of course.
Ishtara Rothschild Do not expose to sunlight Join date: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 569	11-20-2006 13:31 From: Rotary Fan Simpler and more economical solution is to get rid of the user forums entirely, including the content creation forums. This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish. Well, closing official forums is never a good idea, imho. It shows that a company has no ear for their customers and doesn't like criticism. They get a lot of input here, even if it's sometimes only the overall mood of the community.
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	11-20-2006 14:35 From: Rotary Fan This would reduce Linden's forum expenses to zero and allow user sites such as sluniverse and stratics and secondcitizen to flourish. Venting and ranting (unless it degrades into personal attacks) might not give a good outside impression, but it does serve an important function. Closing general caused the blog to turn into the place-to-be for that and to some extent Resident Answers or Linden Answers. If they close RA then LA will get swamped and the content creation forums will become useless because the noise level will just get too much for helpful discussion or Q&A. To a whole lot of people those forums are invalueable because it gets them the answers/help they'd otherwise quite possibly never get unless they knew the right person in-world. There's probably quite a few people who enjoy fuelling the flames, but I'd bet that for the most part angry/upset posters feel better once they hit the submit button because they had a way to vent whatever was bugging them and know that someone is going to end up reading it and that's enough already. Or maybe I'm just being very naive . I don't see migration to resident-run forums ever happening, if only because it takes an extra effort to sign up (that's what would keep me from moving over anyway ), except maybe for small communities of people who already have some way of communicating with each other anyway.
Cottonteil Muromachi Abominable Join date: 2 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,071	11-20-2006 14:40 From: Ishtara Rothschild Well, closing official forums is never a good idea, imho. It shows that a company has no ear for their customers and doesn't like criticism. They get a lot of input here, even if it's sometimes only the overall mood of the community. The forums weren't closed down because they didn't want to hear our feedback and criticism. It was closed due to repeated violations of the TOS and countless parody and meaningless threads, which proved too much for them to handle. Basically it collapsed due to resident abuse. Regarding the so called 'feedback', many of the caustic comments about LL that the residents say here, they would probably not say them in a similar manner to a Linden in person. Listening to some of the residents that called in to the recent townhall, they tend to turn into a slobbering mess. Its always easy to be caustic when hiding behind the forums. Linden Lab is hiring. Maybe some here might want to apply for some of the support positions?

Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

Has the LL Blog become the new General Forum?