Boycott SL its as simple as that .........Hit'em hard and fast
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Darque Angel
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11-05-2006 20:04
Show LL what your made of and simply go out try a something new and let lindens rot in there own putrid self absorbed greed.Boycott them and watch them squirm. Give a better product and then charge a better price...... you buy a volkswagen and pay for a caddilac ? ........ thats what they are doing here. Images won't rez avies that are all white ... hair that won't rez .... standing naked bald waiting for how long for everything to rez .... waiting to see an image from a vendor ? ...... how much worse can it be ? How many times do you crash? how often are you in the middle of something and the sim has to be restarted ? and they want more money ?..... wait till the only accounts that are allowed in SL are 15$ per month.... free avies will soon follow 
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Yumi Murakami
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11-05-2006 20:39
The problem is that LL know that because of the huge resident investment in the world, there's a strong incentive not to move away. To the majority of residents, who have no land, a rental home, or a Premium 512, it won't matter. The big creators aren't going to leave, because they've spent months or years working on content, and are probably profiting from it. And the small creators aren't going to leave either, because they'll want to be there so they can fill in the slot as quickly as possible if a big creator leaves.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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11-05-2006 21:00
That's why you don't boycott SL and hurt yourself. Instead, boycott the corporation islands. Those companies wanting only to advertise their real-world products would be perfectly willing to pay more than the average lil mom and pop store selling only pixel products and services to other avatars. Those corporations would by far prefer a fair tiering system that doesn't just totally squash the indigenous SL businesses, pricing them right out of the market, to bad press and creating ill will among residents with their presence. There's a group Amber started (I forget her last name) that is named something like, "Boycott Corporate Islands." You could join that for starters. Don't just him 'em hard and fast, hit 'em where it really hurts. And that's not the loss of our individual accounts; it's the loss of corporate accounts. Those corporations aren't paying SL to make all the residents resentful. And they aren't paying for bad press, either. We have that leverage right now. No need to close our accounts when we can use our combined voices to call for pricing policy changes that would allow all of us to continue to prosper in SL; corporations and residents alike. coco
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Yumi Murakami
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11-05-2006 21:11
From: Cocoanut Cookie That's why you don't boycott SL and hurt yourself. Instead, boycott the corporation islands. Those companies wanting only to advertise their real-world products would be perfectly willing to pay more than the average lil mom and pop store selling only pixel products and services to other avatars. The corporations aren't going to be brought to SL by the promise of getting visits from SL residents; they're going to be brought in by the promise of getting their arrival covered in trendy tech journals just because, and then having a couple of hundred or thousand people create avatars just to visit their island. Or, they'll leverage their real world business to bring people in who aren't integrated with SL in any other way, such as people who just want to see 3D models of their products or pick up RL discount coupons. The problem with the "seperate fee for a corporate island" is, how do you decide what is a corporate island and what isn't? I saw someone who came to Show and Tell a few weeks ago who had made models of a number of musical keyboards that are made by the RL firm Roland. If he wanted to make a shop to sell these, and assuming Roland gave him permission to use their copyrighted designs, does he have to pay corporate rates because he's advertising Roland? If the answer is no, then you can be sure that corporations will find some clever way of manipulating the language so that they don't have to pay the higher rate.
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Roman Vale
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A quote
11-05-2006 21:33
Here is a bit of information I found that I believe is appropriate for this post. Check it out.
We keep hearing about the revolution around us all the time. The revolution, the revolution, the revolution. Revolution doesn't have to do with smashing something. It has to do with bringing something forth. If you spend all your time thinking about that which you are attacking, then you are negatively bound to it. You have to find the zeal in yourself and bring that out. That's what's given to you-- one life to live. Marx teaches us to blame the society for our frailties, Freud teaches us to blame our parents for our frailties, astrology teaches us to blame the universe. The only place to look for blame is within.
Joseph Campbell
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Kylie Ni
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11-06-2006 04:37
And your point is? Pay more for a lesser product and be happy? Be happy with the same for a greater price? The USA was built on competition and thats the point I'm making. We don't have to settle for less. there are other places to go. I'm just voicing what I feel is right for me and if someone else feels the same way let it be so.
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Cottonteil Muromachi
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11-06-2006 06:34
From: Darque Angel Show LL what your made of and simply go out try a something new and let lindens rot in there own putrid self absorbed greed.Boycott them and watch them squirm. It won't make much of a difference. Just the demographics would shift towards wealthier clients and customers.
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Whimsycallie Pegler
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11-06-2006 13:38
You go ahead Darque... I'll be right behind you....  Actually I prefer sticking it out. I think that SL is not stagnant yet. It may not be perfect, but it is superior to the alternatives. I am still hopeful for improvements and added stability. There is no doubt change causes turmoil. I am interested to see what is on the other side of this turmoil.
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Snakekiss Noir
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the uncaring politic of reality
11-06-2006 14:30
As a long term 3 year resident, mainland owner of sims (majority of land within), and generally non political, yet again I see another development that makes me question my presence and future in SL.
I am am avowed virtualist, and live much of my life immersed in created worlds of the imagination, and my digital life is a vital part of my mental universe. In SL, I have japanese themed sims, probably amongst the most complete, immersive, patiently arrived at and acquired ones in SL, providing beauty, invention, art, tranquility, peace, and residency for poor and more stable residents. I have pioneered japanese FREE markets, cheap housing, low price products, natural landscaping, and I pay .. $480+ a month yet get NONE of the advantages a private island owner gets, and cannot control much of the land I own but for the most basic of editing like any mainland plot owner.
I create wealth, run Money Trees, support projects, create items that last and sell, and I have created valued and 'real' places like the extended Silk Waters Mountain, itself a creative project I preserved and built on the work of other artists. All in all I have lived and worked peacefully in SL and I think I have 'added value' to it. This does not make me much different ( but in scale) to the person who plants one tree and keeps their 512 imaginative or the artist who makes shoes or hats.. but it has been my way of making something to add to this wonderful world. I have LOVED every moment of it.
Sadly, but realistically, I see it all changing and there is ' no more Mr Nice Guy' now.. and we must realise that the type of people who funded SL, the founders of things like ebay, didn't do this for 'art'.. these people get to be billionaires by thinking one way only and no amount of caramel coating can disguise what's going to happen.
as they said in Prizzi's Honour ' ..It's only business Charlie,.. just business' and in the long run, individually or even as a collective none of us however creative matter as much ( as Douglas Adams say) 'a pair of dingo's kidneys' ... What matters ( as always in human society) is Money, Power, Profit, Growth, and a repeat of all those endlessly, the rest is just... labels and 'sugar candy'
Yes Islands will be hiked in price.. and yes, no doubt mainlands will be hiked in price, and yes people will leave, and new people will join and I will have to give up my beautiful sims and wonderful themed lands so that others can chip-chop them into little plots and put commercial rentals and shops over them, and companies can come and introduce their McProducts. Sad, but it is going to happen. Read Philip Linden's new plan Mission and you hear a politician speaking, and you KNOW that everything said there about 'helping people' or 'not doing anything which will restrict access for people' ( like hiking the prices sky high???) will a year or few later be valueless, just as any other politicians words are in the goal of commerce and profit. They will do whatever they need to do to make money and that is the real GAME here. Basically they will go back on everything they say for reasons as surmised here, they MUST show increased numbers, they MUST show increased profit. They are just a company, the WORLD, the Second LIfe is a lovely DREAM.. but in the end its MONEY that matters, nothing else - the rest is our vision of a better world but we humans can't make better worlds while the people who own all the money are the providers of the land. Centuries already proved that.
I shall live as we all do with my disappointment until I am forced to leave..or reduce merely to a wandering japanese creator with no land. If they increase the prices of mainland sims I wil be forced to sell my sims and lands and downgrade, as will so many. It will probably happen, probably next year. SL will be the poorer for it, but Sl will still make money in tons because others will come who don't care, and we will all be replaced. As Borg say 'resistance is futile'...meanwhile I enjoy what I have made and hope it will last some time longer.
The arguments made here are valid in many ways.. the real tragedy of Second life will be that eventually it WILL just be sold as a money generating product, probably to the same billionaires who funded it, and making the SL founders raised to amongst that group. That after all, is WHY they started this business in the first place. In the long run they won't care who they lose, it's the balance sheet that matters nothing else. As others say many will hold out, I have already, but we all will reach limits. In the end we will be forgotten. It is commerce.
We artists and dreamers and little business people, meantimes.. we do as we have always done and just LIVE while there is a space for us to do so.
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What happened to the 'see for miles' graphical visions we were shown of Havok Engine? Instead we got moral crusades to please American businesses.
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Doubledown Tandino
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11-06-2006 16:37
The post above should be the official 'reality statement' of the secondlife community.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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11-06-2006 16:40
From: Yumi Murakami The corporations aren't going to be brought to SL by the promise of getting visits from SL residents; they're going to be brought in by the promise of getting their arrival covered in trendy tech journals just because, and then having a couple of hundred or thousand people create avatars just to visit their island. Or, they'll leverage their real world business to bring people in who aren't integrated with SL in any other way, such as people who just want to see 3D models of their products or pick up RL discount coupons. The problem with the "seperate fee for a corporate island" is, how do you decide what is a corporate island and what isn't? I saw someone who came to Show and Tell a few weeks ago who had made models of a number of musical keyboards that are made by the RL firm Roland. If he wanted to make a shop to sell these, and assuming Roland gave him permission to use their copyrighted designs, does he have to pay corporate rates because he's advertising Roland? If the answer is no, then you can be sure that corporations will find some clever way of manipulating the language so that they don't have to pay the higher rate. Change that term to "commercial" accounts; not corporate. Kelly Linden was calling it "commercial," and I think that's much better. Yes, your friend would be paying commercial rates if his land is being used to promote a real-life product. coco
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Angelique LaFollette
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11-06-2006 18:05
This is Not really a question, Is it?
It isn't someone seeking help, or asking for a Clarification of Policy, or procedure. It's a Streight up Demand that we the Players join in an Attack on LL because things aren't progressing Fast enough to please some people.
But i don't really see a question here.
Angel.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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11-06-2006 18:33
From: Angelique LaFollette This is Not really a question, Is it? It isn't someone seeking help, or asking for a Clarification of Policy, or procedure. It's a Streight up Demand that we the Players join in an Attack on LL because things aren't progressing Fast enough to please some people. But i don't really see a question here. Angel. It could be argued that the OP was asking for help boycotting SL in order raise awareness to their concerns. Unfortunately, thinking that boycotting will force LL to give us SL "better, cheaper & faster" is like thinking boycotting breathing will solve air pollution.
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Tatiana Stuchka
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11-07-2006 04:00
From: Kylie Ni The USA was built on competition This is not the USA. Just a thought...
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Ricardo Harris
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11-07-2006 06:03
At least more and more residents are starting to voice their displeasure with the price hikes, the way they're being jerked around and the direct the game is being driven as of late. So this is a very good start.
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Ricky Zamboni
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11-07-2006 06:26
From: Angelique LaFollette This is Not really a question, Is it?
It isn't someone seeking help, or asking for a Clarification of Policy, or procedure. It's a Streight up Demand that we the Players join in an Attack on LL because things aren't progressing Fast enough to please some people.
But i don't really see a question here.
Angel. Resident Answers is the new General. Get used to it.
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Angelique LaFollette
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11-07-2006 20:52
From: Ricardo Harris At least more and more residents are starting to voice their displeasure with the price hikes, the way they're being jerked around and the direct the game is being driven as of late. So this is a very good start. SL has been Running for Three years now Give or take, How many Price Hikes have there Been in Three years for Tier, and for Privately owned Sims? I've been in for two, and i don't remember off hand this coming up before. Does any one have Information on LL's Pricing for the Last Three Years? Angel.
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Morwen Bunin
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11-07-2006 23:57
From: Tatiana Stuchka This is not the USA. Just a thought... *nod nod* And there are maybe a lot of people here with different views about and on commerial matters, competition and capitalism. Morwen.
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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11-08-2006 07:41
From: Darque Angel Show LL what your made of and simply go out try a something new and let lindens rot in there own putrid self absorbed greed.Boycott them and watch them squirm. Give a better product and then charge a better price...... you buy a volkswagen and pay for a caddilac ? ........ thats what they are doing here. Images won't rez avies that are all white ... hair that won't rez .... standing naked bald waiting for how long for everything to rez .... waiting to see an image from a vendor ? ...... how much worse can it be ? How many times do you crash? how often are you in the middle of something and the sim has to be restarted ? and they want more money ?..... wait till the only accounts that are allowed in SL are 15$ per month.... free avies will soon follow  I never have any of those problems Darque. You can't blame Linden Labs for your PC or ISP being defficient.
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