Ocean of islands
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Rafaella Schumann
Registered User
Join date: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 83
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05-24-2007 20:13
That Ocean provided by LL for me is a sort of null space.. Well..I'm a residential sim owner. In my sim, in just ONE side is a beach. It means that I terraformed it to the water appear, put sand texture, I put waves, pal trees.. However, I got a new SIM to me to expand my sim and I put it sided as the other sim. Some residents is upset because the houses of that side is no longer a beachfront. The side where I put the new sim is not the official beach side.Is a side with grass..no river, no palm trees...is the boudady of the SIM and the "ocean" for me is just a sort of a null space and nothing more.In fact is a null space ready to be filled by the SIM onwer to grow the current SIM.At least I undesrtood it. Where can I find a article explaining these things ? I really wanna explain it using a official source to my residents because I don't wanna my residents feeling cheateds anyway. And If I'm wrong, yes, I need to take some providences, sure ! I will 
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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05-24-2007 20:34
I don't think it's a matter of 'right' or 'wrong', but expectations and how people feel. While it's pretty clear in your mind that the other sides of the sim are not ocean, in the minds of some residents they may see the exact same pixels differently. * * * * * For whatever psychological reasons, waterfront or a water view is a treasured thing to many. I've had the same issue in my sims, and I resolved it thus: "Coastal Rights" Anyone losing waterfront gets to have a chance to move to comparable land in the newer sim (theoretically, they will choose waterfront again) or they can simply stay put. Now this is far from perfect, insofar as new sims have different geography, perhaps subtle twists in the theme, and worst of all, from some older sims to new, there is the tier increase to consider (I had to pass along most of Zee's 15 Nov 06 price increase) But it's better than nothing, and gives people some idea of what to expect. Not saying this is the best solution for you; I'm just sharing my approach.
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Francesca Alva
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Join date: 17 Jul 2006
Posts: 507
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05-25-2007 01:17
From: Desmond Shang For whatever psychological reasons, waterfront or a water view is a treasured thing to many. I've had the same issue in my sims, and I resolved it thus: "Coastal Rights" Anyone losing waterfront gets to have a chance to move to comparable land in the newer sim (theoretically, they will choose waterfront again) or they can simply stay put. Now this is far from perfect, insofar as new sims have different geography, perhaps subtle twists in the theme, and worst of all, from some older sims to new, there is the tier increase to consider (I had to pass along most of Zee's 15 Nov 06 price increase) But it's better than nothing, and gives people some idea of what to expect. Not saying this is the best solution for you; I'm just sharing my approach. Desmond, you are a Prince among landlords - no wonder you have such a long waiting list. I love Caledon and if I ever decide to rent I'll be on that waiting list with my sleeping bag and a little kettle and so on, so I don't lose my place in the queue. 
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Dingthat Bellman
Stella's Mall
Join date: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 183
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05-25-2007 07:10
Slightly off-topic but I have been looking for an answer to this for a few weeks. If I join a second Island to my existing Island, Stella Isle, am I likely to suffer the issues that you see on mainland with crossing SIM boundries? For example, we have all taken a jet-ski across a mainland sim boundry and found ourselves in mid-air scratching the proverbal. Does this happen with Island boundries?
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Rock Ryder
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 384
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05-25-2007 07:27
From: Dingthat Bellman Slightly off-topic but I have been looking for an answer to this for a few weeks. If I join a second Island to my existing Island, Stella Isle, am I likely to suffer the issues that you see on mainland with crossing SIM boundries? For example, we have all taken a jet-ski across a mainland sim boundry and found ourselves in mid-air scratching the proverbal. Does this happen with Island boundries? I have private island sims that join each each. I have never noticed anything out of the ordinary when crossing a sim boundary, in fact, unless I look at the top of my screen at the name of the sim I would not be aware at all that i have crossed boundaries. The issue of ocean-frontage is of particular concern to private island sim owners that operate a rental business. Residents with frontage rented those places BECAUSE of the frontage, so i would not take it away, unless it was not possible to avoid, and then only after giving my tenants the right to move to similar or better locations on the new sim, and only after due notice had been given. One way to avoid this entirely is to buy void sims. This way you can maintain the ocean frontage, have fabulous water parks, underwater grottoes etc, and prim bonuses for your tenants. Take a look at the islands on the Land Store Map, notice how so many have been laid out in a chequerboard style? This prevents griefing island owners from surrounding you, but also allows for the purchasing of void sims later.
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Conifer Dada
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,716
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05-25-2007 08:51
Is it possible to have a waterway - like a creek - between the land of each sim, so that they are two islands or possibly joined by a narrow strip of land, so your residents still have waterfront?
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 5,250
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05-25-2007 09:25
From: Francesca Alva Desmond, you are a Prince among landlords - no wonder you have such a long waiting list. I love Caledon and if I ever decide to rent I'll be on that waiting list with my sleeping bag and a little kettle and so on, so I don't lose my place in the queue.  Thanks for the vote of confidence but it's not just me - I don't know the exact mechanisms but there are MANY people who will take good care of tenants in ways that even I don't. Where I'm different, and maybe really tough / really strict: no refunds, no land 'buybacks', no grace period on tier payments. I'll assist if there are technical problems and someone contacts me in advance *before* their tier runs out, of course. So why am I so strict? Here's the great thing about 'no refunds / no loans': - The Caledon tier reserve is 3 solid months of USD credit, instead of 3 solid months of wishes and promises the moment there's a scare regarding SL and everyone spooks. - Thus, no one can make a 'run' on a 'bank of Desmond' via refunds or buybacks, which makes Caledon a lot more stable than most island continents should tough times ever come to the grid. * * * * * Sim borders: They are as good (or bad) as the mainland. Here's what you do, to make sure you have them smooth as silk: 1) Make sure your sims are in order. Enter a laggy sim, and, well, that border crossing is gonna be ugly no matter what. Get time dilation up to .97 or so by reducing textures, scripts, &c &c. 2) Contact concierge services and see if they can put all your sims at the same colocation facility. Works wonders when your data doesn't have to cross the country to cross a sim border. 
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