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SL Maps, Protected land, etc

Princess Ivory
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07-05-2007 10:07
There was some discussion recently about the continents, and a map of SL. When I went to the SL04 islands, the map there only went to Dec 2003. And it wasn't terribly helpful.

What are the names of the three continents? How do you know which one you live on? What is its location relative to the other continents? I tried the inworld map, but to pull back far enough the see the big picture, I lost site of the smaller land, and the names of the sims. Is there another map I don't know about?

And how do you know if your oceanfront mainland is "protected" by Linden, and therefore the edge of the continent? And if you see mainland inland that is "protected" by Linden, likes patches of trees, roads, etc, does that mean they will remain protected? Does Linden ever undo "protected?" I know that "maintenance" status can change - it is land Linden has reclaimed due to default, and it will eventually be resold. I'm just wondering more about "protected."

Sorry to run on. Appreciate any clarifications,

Princess Ivory
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Ava Glasgow
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07-05-2007 12:07
Hi Princess, I can't answer everything, but maybe some. :)

The map inworld is the way to see all the mainland continents, but yes, both the sim names and the private islands/estates disappear when you pull back too far.

There are more than three mainland continents now. The newest one, in the far northeast, is generally referred to as Nautilus because most of the regions started out having a generic name like Nautilus_v4b_x. A few unsold regions still have that kind of name, but they are given proper names before being auctioned off.

I believe there are proper names created by residents for the first 2-3 continents, which can be seen somewhere on the SL history wiki (URL anyone?), but I haven't heard them used regularly. I just hear "the Old Continent" (the first one), the "Atoll Continent" (north of the Old Continent, and sometimes considered part of it), and the "Southern Continent" (which as you might surmise, is the one in the south). The next continent after that was originally referred to as the "Eastern Continent", but now that Nautilus is farther east than that one, it seems a wrong name for it now. I have never heard anyone give it an actual name.
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Ava Glasgow
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07-05-2007 12:09
Here's a picture of the map while the first "Eastern Continent" was being built. Nautilus wasn't built yet, but it is now north and a little east of the eastern one on the map.

BTW, the yellow dot shows where your av is currently located, and the blue house shows your home location. (Well, in this case, my location and home.)

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Ava Glasgow
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07-05-2007 12:28
From: Princess Ivory
And how do you know if your oceanfront mainland is "protected" by Linden, and therefore the edge of the continent? And if you see mainland inland that is "protected" by Linden, likes patches of trees, roads, etc, does that mean they will remain protected? Does Linden ever undo "protected?" I know that "maintenance" status can change - it is land Linden has reclaimed due to default, and it will eventually be resold. I'm just wondering more about "protected."


My understanding is that something marked "protected" will always stay that way. I have, however, seen "maintenance" not just on reclaimed land, but on regions that have never been sold. For some reason, lots of the open ocean regions around the southern edge of the southern continent are still marked "maintenance" even though it's fairly obvious now that they are intended to stay open as Linden oceans. This has made looking for protected Linden oceans difficult in the new Nautilus continent, because most (even all?) open ocean regions are left marked "maintenance" even though they appear to be meant as permanent open areas.

If you are looking to buy land that borders an open area, but it is not marked as officially "protected", you always risk that it will eventually be developed. Still, in my opinion, some cases are more risky than others -- in particular, anything on whatever continent is currently being built and auctioned off by LL.

Sometimes that risk means the price is lower, though. I bought Nautilus Harbor for a pretty decent price considering that it borders two Linden ocean sims. Sales had finished in that area, and the geography makes me think that at least one ocean region will remain open (if not both). My land will be almost worthless if both oceans get sold, but I knowingly accepted that risk... and am determined to have all the boating fun I can as long as the oceans are open! (Open to everyone, BTW... SW corner of Salerio.)

Oh, one last note. I have seen TONS of parcels for sale that are listed as "protected border" because they are next to a currently open area, but it's obvious to me the open area isn't going to stay that way. I prefer to attribute this to the seller's ignorance rather than dishonesty, but either way, don't trust it without verifying it for yourself. (In fact, I've seen sellers leave this on the listing even after they subdivide, so that interior parcels entirely surrounded by private land are marked as having a protected border!)
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Nimue Jewell
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07-05-2007 13:10
Thanks so much Princess for starting this thread and Ava for the answers. I have been puzzling over this question for awhile now myself. I pretty much wrote off most "waterfront" mainnland property after seeing so many water sims sold into parcels that get built all over. Still, real linden water is so pretty.....

Ava, once again, your boat launch is wonderful!
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07-05-2007 13:29
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Great site, Ava! :D
Avion Raymaker
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07-27-2007 14:50
From: Ava Glasgow
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Sometimes that risk means the price is lower, though. I bought Nautilus Harbor for a pretty decent price considering that it borders two Linden ocean sims. Sales had finished in that area, and the geography makes me think that at least one ocean region will remain open (if not both). My land will be almost worthless if both oceans get sold, but I knowingly accepted that risk... and am determined to have all the boating fun I can as long as the oceans are open! (Open to everyone, BTW... SW corner of Salerio.)
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Ava,

Wouldn't you know it, I run across this thread AFTER I posted the same question in that other thread. It just didn't turn up any earlier searches.

I didn't realize we were practically neighbors, and in the same situation. This post is a couple weeks old. Are your open regions still open?

Don't forget that your land won't be worthless if: the new neighbors are cool, and/or: you buy the parcels adjacent to you.
Ava Glasgow
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07-27-2007 15:53
From: Avion Raymaker
Ava,

Wouldn't you know it, I run across this thread AFTER I posted the same question in that other thread. It just didn't turn up any earlier searches.

That's okay... I'd forgotten about this one!

From: someone
I didn't realize we were practically neighbors, and in the same situation. This post is a couple weeks old. Are your open regions still open?

Yep, at least as of last week. As LL has started building Corsica, Nautilus open oceans are starting to look more secured. Hard to be sure about the no-name sims (aka Nautilus 2x_4vk or whatever it is), but I would think the older named Nautilus sims are pretty safe at this point -- but that's just my guess, of course. :)

From: someone
Don't forget that your land won't be worthless if: the new neighbors are cool, and/or: you buy the parcels adjacent to you.

Well no, not worthless, but certainly much less than what I paid for it. Even if the neighbors at the time of sale were cool, a buyer could never count on them staying that way. Such is the way of the mainland... but I love it. :D

From your other thread:
From: Avion Raymaker
I'm just going to proceed with my plan for the place and take the worst if it comes. I make it a rule never to spend any more money on this than I could afford to throw away. If a jerk buys the place and ruins it, I'll cut my losses and buy something else.

That's a good way to look at it. :)

From: someone
For now, I'm just decorating the place with rocks and trees and things... It's the long island on the eastern edge of Devolin Mal in Nautilus. I thought it would be funny to call it "Devolin Paradise."


I _LOVE_ it! :D
Avion Raymaker
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07-27-2007 20:58
Glad you like the name, Ava -- that fell into my lap and required no creativity.

So, not just to plead our case, I'm genuinely curious: I wonder what would be the point of auctioning off water-only sims butted up against coastal sims where the "good" land is one meter away? Instead of a bunch of fabulous land all around the continent, we would have a whole bunch of ruined land, and a whole bunch of crummy undesirable water sims. (If they need the sims for tier revenue, then just make the freakin continent bigger).

I would say most buyers and maybe even many of the sellers of coastal property would be surprised to see those sold, because it would defy common sense.

But of course this is possibly just wishful thinking. Like you, I'm going to enjoy Devolin Paradise while it lasts (with a glimmer of hope that it always will). And now that I'm back at my home computer -- I'm going to go check out your Nautilus land!

P.S. Ava, what are the coords of your place? I can't find it. Mine's at (224, 96)
Ava Glasgow
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07-28-2007 08:53
From: avion raymaker
I'm genuinely curious: I wonder what would be the point of auctioning off water-only sims butted up against coastal sims where the "good" land is one meter away?

Actually, there are people who want to live on the water, like in a large yacht or pirate ship. And then there's me, who prefers to live UNDER the water. :D

Sadly of course, it usually gets bought by people who don't appreciate it for what it is, and just pave over it with a fake island. But really, that could be said about most mainland land (and a lot of private estates, as well). So many people just have no sense of how to incorportate the geography into their landscape design.

From: someone
I'm going to go check out your Nautilus land... what are the coords of your place?


The Nautilus Harbor Public Boat Launch (available for use by all!) is in the southwest corner of Salerio. :)