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Connecting the dots - Ginko

3Ring Binder
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Join date: 8 Mar 2007
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08-02-2007 20:44
i've just been reading the Ginko thread, and while i was trying to follow the discussion of the AVIX/Ginko merger, something occurred to me.

it's purely speculation, but it certainly makes sense.

is it possible that Ginko has been the owner of the big landbots we al hate, and using that as one way to generate $L?

and wut of all those thousands of newbie campers with same surnames and first names of 0001-0999 (or wutever) that have taken over the camping spots? could they also have been introduced to generate Ginko funds? Nicholas Portocarrero did say that much of his fluid money had been invested in technology. computers? for camping and landbotting? and gambling?

i think the folks at Ginko saw this mess coming, and were trying like crazy to cover themselves before beign exposed. didn't help that Lindens were stolen, just at the wrong time.

is it all connected? just some thoughts. begin bashing me now.
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Skye Whitcroft
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08-03-2007 04:22
Nice troll. Made me giggle when I was having an annoying day at work.

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From: 3Ring Binder
i've just been reading the Ginko thread, and while i was trying to follow the discussion of the AVIX/Ginko merger, something occurred to me.

it's purely speculation, but it certainly makes sense.

is it possible that Ginko has been the owner of the big landbots we al hate, and using that as one way to generate $L?

and wut of all those thousands of newbie campers with same surnames and first names of 0001-0999 (or wutever) that have taken over the camping spots? could they also have been introduced to generate Ginko funds? Nicholas Portocarrero did say that much of his fluid money had been invested in technology. computers? for camping and landbotting? and gambling?

i think the folks at Ginko saw this mess coming, and were trying like crazy to cover themselves before beign exposed. didn't help that Lindens were stolen, just at the wrong time.

is it all connected? just some thoughts. begin bashing me now.
Yiffy Yaffle
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
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08-03-2007 05:43
In a very strange way, it kinda makes sense. It's easy to combine 2 situations and think they are related. We probably will never know though.
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Marianne McCann
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08-03-2007 06:56
Ginko also shot Kennedy.

Mari
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CCTV Giant
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Join date: 2 Nov 2006
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08-03-2007 07:36
Ginko = New World Order sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Their symbol is an ancient masonic symbol. Novus Ginko Seclorum - the all seeing cube

They have secret underground installations under Dreamland and are preparing a second Second Life secret government that will create avatar concentration camps and mass annihilation of all non blond avatars under 7 foot tall


**the campers are not ginko people -- maybe a few -- but the campers your speak of are pacific rim gold farmers. They are in second life; they are in WOW. Mostly Chinese and some leftover koreans. The websites like ouforu.com and gamestock.com employ these methods in addition to credit card fraud.
Yiffy Yaffle
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08-03-2007 17:54
/me thinks of a way to tie them in with the vast amount of griefers now. Hmmm yea. :p
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Joseph Worthington
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08-03-2007 18:00
From: Yiffy Yaffle
/me thinks of a way to tie them in with the vast amount of griefers now. Hmmm yea. :p


The griefers sometimes have to pay for those griefing weapons. Weapons purchased for 1L a piece from stores. Stores that are fronts for Ginko Financial.

*pulls his fedora down a little lover over his faceless visage and tightens his tie.*
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Alyx Sands
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08-03-2007 18:49
From: Marianne McCann
Ginko also shot Kennedy.

Mari


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Cristalle Karami
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Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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08-03-2007 18:55
But they know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried!
Desmond Shang
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08-03-2007 19:12
Landbot runners are definitely not connected to Ginko, at least, not in a sane world.

Allow me to effectively prove it.

* * * * *

Consider the landbot 'business' model. You'll need a land tier slush fund, say, one region's worth, plus some capital to buy land for starters.

Let's call it 195 USD for the first month of tier, plus enough to buy a region's worth of land at $L 10/m or less (gotta buy low, remember).

So 65536m x $L 10 is $L 655360, or 2473 USD. Probably not even 2473 USD, because remember you are probably ganking land from poor innocents for $L 0! So that's the upper limit.

195 + 2473 USD is 2668 USD, or theoretically less than 500 USD if you just rip the innocent who tried to sell land for $L 0 to their friend, and run. Not terribly much startup capital needed.

So you hunch your gangly, pizza-greased hands over your computer, mouth stained with Code Red soda, and begin coding for 72 hours straight.

Between sugar rushes and fantasies of purring anime girls, you command your bot to buy up to a sim's worth, and not buy anything beyond that.

After selling off most of it at regular prices, you begin again.

But - surprise surpise - a month hasn't even gone by yet! You continue to buy and sell land, never holding more than one full sim's worth at a time. Muhahaha, those jocks are gonna regret ever taunting you!

Basically, you need to make your 195 USD tier every month, and everything on top of that is gravy. Well, how much land do you need to sell to make 195 USD ($L 51675)?

Buying at $L 0 and selling at $L 10/meter, that's only 5168 meters of land a month. Barely anything.

Say you just pick it up off the uninformed, the people just wanting to get out, those making typing mistakes or whatnot, and you have to buy at $L 5/m and sell at $L 10/m. Still, all you need to sell is 10340 meters, then the gravy train begins.

Something tells me there's probably more than 10k meters worth of oopsies each month when it comes to land sales. There has to be, or people wouldn't bother.

* * * * *

Your biggest problem isn't financial whatsoever. Three or four stupid $L 0 land sales by n00bs, and you are funded way beyond whatever you need. Constantly borrow money from people constantly at 40-60% interest, Ginko style? Gadzooks, WHY?

You are making money hand over fist, and can increase the size of your operation in minutes to whatever volume of business your bots can bring home. The *last* thing you need is 'heat' on you.

Money isn't the obstacle. It's the Company, restricting your bots and limiting your ability to rapidly search. Also, another landbotter who is hungrier than you are, sending taunts and curses to you. You taunt and curse back, mask your ip and sign up his username on several websites the Feds regularly watch. That will keep him busy.

Ego and pride bruised, you go back to prove that yes, you ARE king of the geeks, and the hopelessly complex programming language you use IS the superior one.

More Code Red, more pizza, and your botswarm hammers the Company database like a biblical plague, along with the other biblical plagues.

The 'game' of second life is now a distant, abstract concept to you now - you haven't personally logged in in months. First of all, it's not necessary. Second of all, even as an alt you always manage to be humiliated by all those snotty people and their useless social graces.

* * * * *

Folks, seriously, a landbot operation would have no need of Ginko-style borrowing whatsoever.

And no, I'm not a bot runner. It's just common sense, and a business model so obvious it hurts.

Certainly I'd guess the major bot operations are dealing with more than one mere sim's worth of tier.

Considering the number of mistakes made on the grid, and the amount of land lying around available for sale for months and months, I'd guess the scope of the big botrunner operations would make Ginko look like a broken child's toy.
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