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Ho to sell land icluding businesses, 170k shop inventory and some no trans buildings?

tilstad Homewood
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06-21-2007 05:21
I am currently evaluating selling my land, businesses and everything, to stop playing sl in general for personal reasons. However, I have alot of time money and sweat invested, as it is a shopping street with self owned businesses, cinema, rentals etc etc. And I simply figure it would be worth alot more sold complete than simply the land, as it currenltly has a gross revenue of about 200k a month. + shop inventory merchandise at a wholesale value of approx 170k, 340k when sold at retail.

And all shops are already established, and have a good steady customer base, so just quitting it would in my mind be very foolish, as there's a good steady ready made income source there.

Now, too many of the objects are no trans. And it would simply be too much work to get trans replacements, and in many cases I guess you cant even get it. So my thought because of this was, how about maybe sell your whole avatar, with logon password and everything?

Is this even legal? That tos for me is a little diffuse and I cant say I really understand or have read and understood fully all of it, so i guess caution should be used. But would i need to remove or change my credit card data, or its there anotehr way of achieving the same?

But, if thats not an option... what is?

All answers would be appreciated

Thanks,
tilstad
Mickey James
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06-21-2007 05:55
Who you callin a ho? (In your topic line)

The TOS says accounts can be transferred with the written consent of Linden Lab, so I think your next step is to contact LL and see if you can arrange it. It says transfers are GENERALLY not permitted, but can be done with their consent. Considering the time and investment you've put in, it's certainly worth trying.
Apple Pinkney
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06-21-2007 06:15
Find a buyer before you call the Lindens. It will help your request make more sense
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Porky Gorky
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06-21-2007 06:45
I know someone who sold their business land holdings, tier....everything, lock stock and barrel for L$2.5m. They got the AV who owned all the assets transferred over to the new player through Linden Labs. In that instance the new player was a friend so there was not an issue of trust with regards to making payment. Howver It would be wise to maybe get Linden Labs to mediate the transaction to ensure you get paid if they are willing.
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Ceera Murakami
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06-21-2007 06:52
From what I understand, the only time LL will usually allow a transfer of an avatar and all their assets to another person is if the original player *dies*, really ceases to exist in real life, and in their legal will they recorded that they wanted the avatar and assets to be transferred to a designated heir.

I am fairly certain you'll find that it is impossible to get LL to agree to allow you to *sell* your account to someone else. Therefore, your best bet would be to sell off any of the transferrable assets, including land, and delete from in-world any of the no-transfer assets. In all probability, whoever you sell to will change everything anyway, shortly after you leave.

If you tier down to Basic before you depart, your account will remain available, with those no-transfer assets, if you ever change your mind in a year or two and want to come back.
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Conan Godwin
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06-21-2007 07:00
From: Mickey James
Who you callin a ho? (In your topic line)

The TOS says accounts can be transferred with the written consent of Linden Lab, so I think your next step is to contact LL and see if you can arrange it. It says transfers are GENERALLY not permitted, but can be done with their consent. Considering the time and investment you've put in, it's certainly worth trying.


Given the size of the business involved, I'd say LL would probably be flexible here. LIke Mickey says though, make sure you go through the proper channels.
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tilstad Homewood
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Join date: 21 Feb 2007
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06-21-2007 08:39
Well, the thing is I 'could' try get most objects trans.. if not all, atleast the main parts.. but even that is a somewhat formidable task, and I really need to leave Sl for personal health issues. However, there are business contacts involved that I wouldnt like to just quit on this way, as they also have invested time in me, to keep things working the way things are. So, the best solution I could se was to just let someone else take over.

However, as far as I found out, the only way to actually get in touch with LL, is by submitting a "ticket", which I'm not intitled to because I dont have a premium account. (island parcels).But then later I also noticed the "will" part in the requirement of TOS 2.4 SO that may possibly be out of question anyway.

How about letting another avater modify my objects, and sell as is? hm.. guess that will be a hassle too as it's alot of differenr deeded landparcels and businesses.

Well, my main problem is that I'm in kinda of a hurry... starting to get hot under my feet now.. and worst case.. I guess I just have to delete it all.
Yumi Murakami
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06-21-2007 09:55
From: Ceera Murakami
From what I understand, the only time LL will usually allow a transfer of an avatar and all their assets to another person is if the original player *dies*, really ceases to exist in real life, and in their legal will they recorded that they wanted the avatar and assets to be transferred to a designated heir.


I seem to recall that there _was_ a complete business and account transfer at some point, possibly involving Anshe Chung buying up a business that would otherwise have closed down. So it isn't entirely unprecedented.
Argos Hawks
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06-21-2007 12:24
Add the buyer to your friend list, give them permission to edit your objects, and sell objects with the land. Everything should work itself out. Just be upfront with the buyer and let them know that a lot of the buildings are no transfer.
tilstad Homewood
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06-21-2007 13:48
So this "selling land with objects"... does this work for scripted vendors too?

But this seems like the best and most viable option.. I agree :)

Now only thing is how to actually sell it. Are there auctions still for things like this?
Wildefire Walcott
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06-21-2007 15:56
From: tilstad Homewood
So this "selling land with objects"... does this work for scripted vendors too?

This doesn't work for no-transfer objects. They're permanently tied to the owning avatar.
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Argos Hawks
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06-21-2007 16:15
From: Wildefire Walcott
This doesn't work for no-transfer objects. They're permanently tied to the owning avatar.


True, but if you allow the buyer to edit your objects before leaving, there shouldn't be a problem. The new owner will be able to move, rearrange, and modify as they see fit. The old owner's name will still be there, but the new owner will have the control they need. It might be a problem if the new owner wanted to pick the objects up and put them down somewhere else, but assuming the new owner wants the existing business to continue as it is, and in the current location, there shouldn't be a need to change much. As long as the current owner is upfront with the buyer about what is and isn't transferable, everything should be fine. The new owner should be careful not to blindly return all objects owned by others though.
Argos Hawks
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06-21-2007 16:25
From: tilstad Homewood
So this "selling land with objects"... does this work for scripted vendors too?

But this seems like the best and most viable option.. I agree :)

Now only thing is how to actually sell it. Are there auctions still for things like this?


I do not know about scripted vendors. I was thinking more about buildings, furnishings, landscaping, etc. My guess would be that transferable vendors would transfer ok, but it probably depends a lot on the scripts inside and the specifics of how they reset. To be safe, even if the vendors seem to transfer properly, the new owner should pick them up and set them out again to be sure that the payment scripts get set correctly. I would guess that the bigger problem would be the objects INSIDE the vendors. Especially if they are set to be no-copy or no-transfer for the next owner. I bought an art building from a friend, and all the pictures she had on the walls that were set to sell copies (no-copy for next owner) became no-copy.

Does anyone know a proven easy way to transfer a large number of vendors and the objects inside to give the new store owner the proper permissions they need?
Charlene Trudeau
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06-21-2007 19:14
From: Argos Hawks
True, but if you allow the buyer to edit your objects before leaving, there shouldn't be a problem. The new owner will be able to move, rearrange, and modify as they see fit. The old owner's name will still be there, but the new owner will have the control they need. It might be a problem if the new owner wanted to pick the objects up and put them down somewhere else, but assuming the new owner wants the existing business to continue as it is, and in the current location, there shouldn't be a need to change much. As long as the current owner is upfront with the buyer about what is and isn't transferable, everything should be fine. The new owner should be careful not to blindly return all objects owned by others though.


yeah, and no auto-return could ever be used either unless they set up a group and set all the items to group first.

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