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LK Roar
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12-20-2006 09:12
Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my video card but I have no idea what's compatible with my pc (Dell Dimension 4700). Does anyone know a site where I could check for compatible video cards. Also, what exactly does a better video card do as far as game play? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Isablan Neva
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12-20-2006 09:17
First thing you need to find out is what expansion slots your motherboard came with. Dell is infamous for really limiting your upgrade choices, especially with their "budget" models. You will have one of the following types:

PCI
AGP
PCI Express

I had a friend recently get a Dell Dimension and all it had was PCI slots, there are cards out there for PCI but you will be really limited in choice.
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Gummi Richthofen
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12-20-2006 09:40
Going to www.dell.com and looking up the Dimension 4700 specification reveals that it has a PCI express slot, and they offer the Radeon X300 and X800, the TVT1 Ehome and TVT2, the Intel 915G and the Nvidia GeForce 6800.

So! You have to work out what you've got now, and then look in the market for cards better than what's presently installed. if you have the Nvidia, I'd have to say, don't bother - it's unlikely you will see a speed increase in regular use from an upgrade to the hardware. HOWEVER: definitely download the very latest driver you can get! This can be as good as a card upgrade, and it's free.
Champie Jack
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12-20-2006 10:19
I think it is worth exploring this issue in a different manner:

Why do you think you need to upgrade your graphics card?

For best results, you should post your system specifications.

Try to post the following information:

Make/Model - Dell 4700
Processor Type/Speed (example: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 ghz)
RAM (example 512 mb)
Graphics Card - (thats what started all this :) )

To get all the info other than the Graphics card info:
1.Right Click My Computer and select Properties.
2.Look on the General Tab fo relevent info.

To get the graphics card info:
1.Right click an empty area of your Desktop and select Properties.
2.Select the Settings Tab.
3.Click the Advanced Button at the bottom Right of the Settings Tab.
4.Somewhere in there (click on the different tabs if you have to) there will be info about the type and memory size of your graphics card. It should be obvious once you find it.

Also, here is a link from the Dell Forums about upgrading a Dimension 4700 graphics card. You may find other useful posts in those forums. Here is the link to just one.
Regan Turas
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12-20-2006 10:36
Take Champie Jack's advice! Posting your configuration will help pinpoint where your system can be upgraded.

For instance, if you only have 512mb in memory, upgrading to at least 1gb (if your system supports it) will definitely improve your SL performance.
Champie Jack
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12-20-2006 11:28
From: Regan Turas
Take Champie Jack's advice! Posting your configuration will help pinpoint where your system can be upgraded.

For instance, if you only have 512mb in memory, upgrading to at least 1gb (if your system supports it) will definitely improve your SL performance.


thats exactly what I was thinking! Like I said, it's worth exploring the different possibilities, especially if you aren't already certain of the benefits of a new Graphics card.
LK Roar
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12-20-2006 14:54
Thanks a ton for all the help and suggestions! Here's some more info about my computer:

Pentium 4 CPU - 3.00 GHz
2.99 GHz, 760 MB Ram

As far as the current graphics card, is there anyway to find out without opening up the computer?

Thanks again for all the help!
Champie Jack
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12-20-2006 16:28
From: LK Roar
Thanks a ton for all the help and suggestions! Here's some more info about my computer:

Pentium 4 CPU - 3.00 GHz
2.99 GHz, 760 MB Ram

As far as the current graphics card, is there anyway to find out without opening up the computer?

Thanks again for all the help!

yes..the instructions above should be sufficient..

From: someone
To get the graphics card info:
1.Right click an empty area of your Desktop and select Properties.
2.Select the Settings Tab.
3.Click the Advanced Button at the bottom Right of the Settings Tab.
4.Somewhere in there (click on the different tabs if you have to) there will be info about the type and memory size of your graphics card. It should be obvious once you find it.
Teeny Leviathan
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12-20-2006 16:45
I'm not sure if this is exactly the machine in question, but you might get your answer here.
Champie Jack
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12-20-2006 16:52
oh, I should add..

I have an eVGA 7600 GT 256mb. When I bought it 8 months ago it seemed "the best bang for the buck." I'm curious to know if other folks who have been looking at getting new cards recently also feel the same way.

The only further consideration you'll have is the power supply. I think a 450 Watt PS would be good, but I dont want to make any assumptions. You may want to check the dell forums again on that. I just read that the 4700 has a 305 Watt power supply. You may need to replace the PS when upgrading the video card.

I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to give you any buying advice on a PS. There are other threads in this forum on buying Power Supplies. Check those out as well as the Dell forums to see what other Dell uers know and have experienced. Your needs will depend on other factors, like how many hard drives and other devices like CDRW/DVD drives you have.
Champie Jack
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12-20-2006 16:53
From: Teeny Leviathan
I'm not sure if this is exactly the machine in question, but you might get your answer here.


lol teeny, thats the same Dell forum thread I put a link to in my first post :)
Teeny Leviathan
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12-20-2006 17:10
On the subject of power supplies, I've had the best luck with Antec. A 300w power supply these days is kinda measly for powering modern video cards. Personally, I'd go with a minimum of 400w. If you are looking for something VERY EXPENSIVE, don't even think of anything less than 500w.
Regan Turas
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12-20-2006 18:30
From: Teeny Leviathan
On the subject of power supplies, I've had the best luck with Antec. A 300w power supply these days is kinda measly for powering modern video cards. Personally, I'd go with a minimum of 400w.

This is mostly off-topic, but I just finished my first computer build with an Antec case (P150) that is easy to work with, filled with nice little touches like cord hooks, and is whisper-quiet.

The Neo HE 430 power supply that comes with the case has gotten a lot of bad press for being DOA, but I was fortunate enough to dig deep into customer reviews and find that the PS is NOT defective, rather it's very finicky and needs a draw of at least 1amp on each of the three rails. Once I knew that, I was able to get my system up and running.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying that the 430w power supply has worked well for my GeForce 6800 XT card, along with 2 SATA drives, optical drive and floppy drives.
LK Roar
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12-20-2006 20:30
From: Champie Jack
yes..the instructions above should be sufficient..


Ah, sorry about that. I must be blind lol.

I'm pretty sure that I have the right info - here it is:

Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family
Dac Type: Internal
Memory Size: 128 MB
Bios Info: Intel Video BIOS

Thanks again for all the help..As you can see, I have no idea about any of this stuff.
Dr Tardis
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12-20-2006 23:20
From: Champie Jack
The only further consideration you'll have is the power supply. I think a 450 Watt PS would be good, but I dont want to make any assumptions. You may want to check the dell forums again on that. I just read that the 4700 has a 305 Watt power supply. You may need to replace the PS when upgrading the video card.


I keep seeing information like this, and my own tests just don't support the need for bigger power supplies. The PSU in my computer is barely pushing 100 watts, and I'm running an Athlon 64 3800 and a Geforce 7600 GT. I've tested several "power hungry" systems by various means (some by means of a "kill-o-watt" and some with a dvm) and never seen a draw of even 200 watts on any of these systems. (And yes, I know all about the fact that each rail has different amperage ratings.)

So unless you know your PSU isn't doing the job, don't waste the money on a bigger one. One way to tell is to use the motherboard monitor program that came on your driver CD (Dells should come with it pre-installed), and look at the supply voltages. If they're close to the ideal voltage, (the sensors are almost always a tiny bit off, so 12.1 or 11.8 volts on the 12 volt line is fine) then you don't need to worry. To be sure, you should do a before and after test. Write down numbers now and then after you install the new card. If the voltages have gone down at all, then you're drawing more amperage than the regulators can supply and you should upgrade your power suppply.

However, Dells are a pain because they use custom power supply wiring, so you have to order a Dell PSU, which is a real PITA.

Now as to video cards... I agree with the earlier comment about the GeForce 7600. For the price, it's a good performer. Of course, SL uses a lot of texture memory, so a 512 MB card wouldn't hurt, but don't expect "night and day" changes, unless you're on a pretty old card right now (however, if you're running PCI-E, chances are your video subsystem isn't really that far out of date).

OMG, I just read your last post.

Yes, get off that Intel card. Get a GeForce. Don't get an ATI. It's not that ATI's are bad cards, but SL was specifically designed for the GeForce cards, and the support for nVidia's OpenGL implementation is much better than for the ATI cards. (I have both, so this isn't bias talking.)
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Dr Tardis
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12-20-2006 23:23
From: Regan Turas
This is mostly off-topic, but I just finished my first computer build with an Antec case (P150) that is easy to work with, filled with nice little touches like cord hooks, and is whisper-quiet.


The P150 is a great case. I have two Lanboys, myself. Love the things. I've built a lot of computers in Antec cases, and as long as they keep putting out products like what I've seen, my future comptuers will all be in Antec cases (except for the notebooks, that is.)
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Champie Jack
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12-21-2006 01:45
From: Dr Tardis
I keep seeing information like this, and my own tests just don't support the need for bigger power supplies. The PSU in my computer is barely pushing 100 watts, and I'm running an Athlon 64 3800 and a Geforce 7600 GT. I've tested several "power hungry" systems by various means (some by means of a "kill-o-watt" and some with a dvm) and never seen a draw of even 200 watts on any of these systems. (And yes, I know all about the fact that each rail has different amperage ratings.)

So unless you know your PSU isn't doing the job, don't waste the money on a bigger one. One way to tell is to use the motherboard monitor program that came on your driver CD (Dells should come with it pre-installed), and look at the supply voltages. If they're close to the ideal voltage, (the sensors are almost always a tiny bit off, so 12.1 or 11.8 volts on the 12 volt line is fine) then you don't need to worry. To be sure, you should do a before and after test. Write down numbers now and then after you install the new card. If the voltages have gone down at all, then you're drawing more amperage than the regulators can supply and you should upgrade your power suppply.

However, Dells are a pain because they use custom power supply wiring, so you have to order a Dell PSU, which is a real PITA.

Now as to video cards... I agree with the earlier comment about the GeForce 7600. For the price, it's a good performer. Of course, SL uses a lot of texture memory, so a 512 MB card wouldn't hurt, but don't expect "night and day" changes, unless you're on a pretty old card right now (however, if you're running PCI-E, chances are your video subsystem isn't really that far out of date).

OMG, I just read your last post.

Yes, get off that Intel card. Get a GeForce. Don't get an ATI. It's not that ATI's are bad cards, but SL was specifically designed for the GeForce cards, and the support for nVidia's OpenGL implementation is much better than for the ATI cards. (I have both, so this isn't bias talking.)


Dr Tardis, thanks for clarifying Power Supply issues/questions. I tried to not make too much of an assertion about the Power Supply, but my own experience, prior advice, and others assertions about power supplies led me to believe that it is something that needs to be taken into consideration. Admittedly, I have no idea how to read voltage data, and therefore suggested looking for knowledgable resources on the matter.

Now, on the matter of Antec cases :) I may not know a lot about power supplies, but I too run an AMD Athlon 64 - 3800/7600GT 256mb in an Antec 150 case. It's good to know I am in such good company. (But I have a 450 watt PS because I thought I needed it).

LK, I hope we were all able to help you out. Best of luck with your upgrades.
LK Roar
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12-21-2006 20:48
Thanks alot for everything, you all have really been a ton of help!