With kind of land is appropriated to build a Slingo System ?

Need to know..

How many SQR should the land to have ? How many prims ?

Is there any possibility to exists 2 slingos in the same island ? Assuming that everybody "Shouts" on the bingo...I guess that one Slingo place can hear another and several confusions can occur.

Buy your own private island sim. Then your Slingo parlor won't destroy the property value of all your new neighbors.

If you want to have multiple Slingo parlors in one sim, you could. But a single Slingo parlor or casino will usually max out the number of people who can enter the sim, further angering any neighbors that you may have by making it impossible for anyone else in that sim to enjoy their land.

If you insist on setting up a Slingo parlor in less than a full sim, then at least be courteous enough to restrict spatialized sound to your parcel. Then the neighbors don't have to complain about all the shouting.

Right ! Thanx Ceera !

First, I don't wanna build this in a mixed area such as commercial/residencial island.

Can I restrict the sounds to my parcel only ?

And the "Shoots" Can I do the same ?

You can have sounds restricted to the one parcel only. Shouts however cannot be contained to the one parcel -- anyone within 100m will 'hear' them in their chat. This gets really annoying to anyone within 100m if it goes on long enough.

I agree with Ceera's initial point - buy your own island, then you have the whole sim to yourself and nobody else will be suffering (or ARing).

-Atashi

Villagers mob to foot of Slingo Castle; drag out owner and burn at stake.

What if the sim your looking at setting up in is empty?

Why not use that instead of forking out a lot of cash for a privated island?

I dont know much about slingo but i doubt you can make enough mone to cover the costs of a private island, anyone know any better?

No sim is "empty". Ever. The land either belongs to a variety of other Players plus possibly some Linden Protected land, or the Lindens just auctioned it off to some single Player who will carve it up into parcels and sell it. There is no wide open frontier of unclaimed land.

If you place a slingo parlor, casino, or camping chair farm in a mainland sim, you destroy the property value for all other land in that sim, and you also have a negative impact on the adjacent sims as well. Containing such places in a private sim at least prevents it from bleeding over into other sims, as you have no side-by-side neighbors unless you also own them or are in agreement with the neighboring private sim about your sim being there.

Would you purchase a parcel in a sim that you can hardly ever enter, because the 40 allowed avatars in the sim are all being used by that 4096 M2 parcel in the corner with a Slingo parlor on it? In a sim where you're constantly interrupted by people shouting "SLINGO!" and by the shouted comments of the Slingo parlor host? In a sim where you can hardly move because of lag? A typical Slingo parlor, casino, or any venue full of camping chairs will destroy the usability of the sim they appear in. Most of the owners of these places couldn't care less about that. Even if, as with the original poster, they try to be considerate and plan ahead - even if they restrict access to their games and only allow 10 to 20 Players at a time - Slingo inevitably involves LOTS of shouting that can be heard up to 100 meters from the game site.

When Slingo got started in SL, it wasn't something someone ran 24 x 7 as a profit maker. It was an event, an attraction to get someone to visit your club or business, run up the parcel's traffic for a bit, and maybe make some people happy by paying out some prizes. Much like running a raffle ball at a club. It wasn't ever a way to make money. It was a way to increase business trafic.

I remember one sim that had a top-listed strip club. Once or twice a month they would host Slingo, for a few hours. In that period, if you weren't in the club playing, the residents and business customers may as well pack up and go elsewhere, because the constant shouting was most unpleasant, and the lag was horrific, if you could even get in the sim at all. But the rest of the time the club had maybe 5 to 20 people in it, and the other half of the sim was OK.

I seem to remember visiting some texture shops that used to just about bring sims to their knees....lol

I tend to disagree to the general opinion here..
If you own a piece of land, you go for it!!!
If you want to build a 50 foot high enterpretation of a phone weasel, you should do it. If you want to open a texture business... Do it, if you want to build a mall/casino/slingo parlour...then you should build to your little hearts content.
I would always suggest taking a look at the surroundings and seeing who you are going to impact on, I mean, If you are in a sim with a whole bunch of people with 4000sq plots.. nice houses and quiet surroundings, perhaps that isnt the place for it...but if its got some businesses then I think you have as much right to be there as anyone else.
The thing about an island is that yes, its a great idea...providing you have the money to outlay and get that going, for now, you may wish to just try it on a smaller plot and see if it is going to do the sorts of things that you hope it will.
If people are THAT worried about their landvalues/lag/shouting etc, then perhaps they should look at forming a group and buying an island themselves..or maybe just moving to a sim with a convenant preventing such things.
I think a good idea is to find a newish sim... one with most of the land up for sale...and build your slingo parlour there, if people dont like what you have built, and are worried about the impact on the sim, then they wont buy the land around you. Now I can already hear people screaming at their screens ..."WHAT ABOUT THE POOR LAND OWNERS WHO WONT SELL THEIR LAND????!!!!"..yup, the land will move slowly, thats probable...it WILL sell at the right price, and chances are your slingo parlour will have moved on to bigger better things before they really have a massive worry about their land they cant sell.
Another thing to do would be to have a look for a sim that is filled with floating advertisments/ spinning 30 foot "for sale" signs with land prices obviously set to try and force the poor general public to pay triple the lands actual value just to get rid of the mayhem...and plop your sl parlour down nearby. you will be doing the sim a favour!!




Of course, if LL wanted to ever put restrictions or form to the land... seperating business, entertainment and residential areas, my opinion would change. but while we have this mish mosh of everything all together... you deserve to have fun too!!!


Good luck in your venture... just dont put it near my house lol

Which is preceisely why TRU moved to a private sim, where the texture store is virtually the entire sim.

Ah yes. It's fine if you screw someone else over, just don't do it to me? What wonderful Karma you're invoking for yourself dear. I can't wait to hear you wailing about the eyesore that winds up next door to your home.

LL does need to start enforcing zoning. But until they do, at least we can warn people to think about the consequences of their actions. Some, like this original poster, may not have even considered the impact that their build might have on others.

I would agree that a slingo parlor dropped into a sim that is already plagued with rotating ad signs and has several businesses in it is far better than dropping it in a quiet area of nicely landscaped private homes. Though if I were unfortunate enough to own land or a business in that sim, having yet another lag-inducing, property-value destroying business come to the sim would not be welcome. Imagine trying to run a store, and your customers can't get in, because the slingo parlor or casino always has the sim full? Would you welcome that business to your sim?

Personally, the chaos on the mainland is why I will never go Premium, or own mainland. I buy only on quiet, well-managed private islands. There are places that are suitably zoned for any effort that I choose to do, and where my builds won't destroy the value of other people's enjoyment of SL.

There is several places with sling at SL...

Go to Search---> Most Popular ---> Parrothead

Thanx, guy ! I like to listen suggestions, opinions...etc...

This is a academic project...

Don't need to get rich with this...

Just to test the SL power of investiments...

Ex: I wanna invest some money...Check how long I will get the break even..how profit I can get monthly based on the money that I bet...

Or just: See how much money we can destroy...and study the reasons

Yes, TRU DID move to a private sim... but not for a little bit of time if memory serves. So why should this person have to START on an island again?



Ummm..ok.. did you see the "lol" at the end of the statement I made? that means what I said was a joke. I couldnt give a phone weasel if he came and put his parlour right next to my house... in fact, if the land was for sale, I would have told him to come by with welcome arms..why? because his slingo club is no less valid than my house, you shops or anyone elses builds.
You talk of ruining other peoples enjoyment, yet in a way you attempt to restrict others enjoyment of the game. its only YOUR particular form of enjoyment that is valid... and others forms of entertainment/enjoyment need to go buy a private island so they are out of your field of view.
I appreciate that you did move your builds on to private Islands... but you have to remember that thats not where you started and I am sure you upset many a home owner ...whether they told you about it or not, before you moved out.

I had a friend here that got all upset when a club moved into his sim. ( I say HIS sim, he had a house on a 1024 block... the club had about 8000sq). Se we sat down and talked about it. I asked him how laggy had it gotten since they moved in. He replied with "this laggy" and walked around the room. There wasnt any lag... it was perfectly fine in fact, the club was just a big box with a dancefloor. no customers, no sploders, no vendors, no lights, no slot machines...nothing. So what was lagging his version of secondelife? The IDEA that a club had moved into "HIS sim". I explained this to him... but he was sooo pissed off about it that he packed his bags and left the game. He sold his land for 1000 more than he bought it for (remember he bought it before the club moved in....sold it after..and still made a profit). When I was talking to some other friends of mine... we all came to another realisation about it... our friend was only ever at his house for maybe 20 minutes once every 2 or 3 days. So why the hell was he complaining? what... the club couldnt be there because of 20 minutes every other day?
So for for 47 hours 40 minutes out of every 2 days a sim was meant to remain 100% lag free, just in case he decided to turn his computer on?

The realism is that we all need to try and be a little accepting of one another...realise that although you love that beautiful 1024 plot you own in that gorgeous piece of virtual greenality... it is not "totally irreplaceable", any member of second life can feel free to just pick up their house and move at any time. Sometimes theres a bit of work involved... sometimes its easy. But lets not sit and bitch and moan about the lag that this poor guys build causes...when he hasnt even built it yet lol.

Give the guy a break... let him start his SL business dream just like we all have.
(ok after reading his last post... let him start his SL academic project just like..... wait...I will never start an academic project... bah... you get the idea)

Alice, I don't own TRU. I'm just one of many texture artists who sells textures there. And in fact, when I started with TRU, I do recall that I had to have others place my texture bundles in the store, because the lag was so bad for my little Mac Mini that I couldn't set foot inside the store for more than 5 minutes without crashing from texture overload. Then again, the same could have been said at that time for any major mall or club, for me. TRU grew very fast about that time, and it moved to a private sim as fast as was at all affordable when it started taxing local resources. But at all times, the store owner was and still is doing her best to reduce lag and to minimize impact on her neighbors.

As for my own builds and endeavors? I have never, personally, built anything that I knew would have an adverse impact on any of my neighbors, or on any other Player. It appalls me to see people who think it is perfectly fine to do as they please, even when it is obvious they are hurting others by their actions. My start was on a private island, both for my home and my businesses. As far as I am aware, every mall I have ever set up a store of my own in was on a private island. The only things I have ever built and left standing on the mainland were when someone who owned mainland property hired me to build for them, on their land. The only things I have ever set up for myself on the mainland were where a friend offered my Partner and I space in her large parcel of land for our home, for a while, when the sim our old home was in became impossible to live in. We no longer live on my friend's mainland parcel.

When I did have that house on my friend's land on the mainland, we had no peace at all unless we locked down the parcel, allowing either no one but our household access, or relaxing that to a ban only on no-payment-info accounts and known griefers. My time on the mainland gave me little reason to love it.

Yes, I am rather intolerant of slingo parlors and other businesses that consume a disproportionate share of sim resources, or which have a negative impact on their neighbors. A Slingo parlor, by nature of the way they are always run, disturbs the peace of everyone within 100 meters with constant shouting. Every time I have encountered a Slingo parlor in SL that was in use, I was subjected to shouted chat from dozens of sources, and a check of the map would show an intense concentration of people packed into that one small area of the sim. The crowds that such businesses pack into themselves always seem far out of proportion to the percentage of the sim that they actually own. I have yet to see a slingo parlor or casino that actually owned enough land to provide the server resources that they consumed. And it's rare to see a club that does. How many slingo parlors or casinos do you know of that draw 30 to 40 people at once, but actually own 75% to 100% of the land in the sim and therefore are actually paying for all the resources they are using?

I agree wholeheartedly with alice.
Mainland convenants have no restrictions so you build what you please. Ceera says that no sim is ever empty but i often hang out in a sim which is empty and i think it would be a great place for slingo.

Now i know i will probably get a lot of grief for what i am about to say but if you are on mainland and dont want slingo in your sim, perhaps you should consider moving to an island. Mainland has no convenant for a reason.

Ceera,Firstly... thanks for clearing up the TRU thing but you see my point right? You had to give your textures to someone else to put into TRU because of server lag, yet you still put them in. You wanted to be able to "have a fair go" at what you were doing, and you thought little of your impact on the neighbours.

Your point about server recources is a very valid one (not that you need me to justify what is...and isnt a valid point) but with a major problem. Yes, I have seen clubs use maybe a maximum of 75% of server resources...but... server recources are not what we are buying when we are buying land, we are buying Sqm of virtual land..and prims. Unfortunately LL has not implemented any sort of system to restrict server resources...and thus we have to accept that that is the way things are here. To restrict someones use of said resources is purely vigilant, as there is no law or TOS that states otherwise. We cannot enforce our own sets of ideals and laws here, we can only play the hand we have been dealt.

So...whilst it is within the TOS, again I will state that people have a right to do with their land what they want...and we need to try and be accepting of that. and for every person that is against slingo/tringo/clubs in sims, I can show you 20-30 avatars lagging things down terribly that will tell you otherwise.
Doesnt make it right... just makes it different and thats the beauty of it all!!!

Actually Alice, to an extent, I do see your point. But when I joined TRU as an artist, It was only when inside TRU, and exposed to all those textures at once, that my very low end computer lagged out. I could, and did, go around outside the store with little effort, and I could see that other people seemed to have no problem navigating where I didn't dare tread, so I largely just chalked it up to my own computer being only marginally adequate to access SL. I couldn't go into popular clubs or Linden-sponsored in-world town hall meetings, either, which others could do just fine.

Personally, I hope the recent arrival of Coldwell Banker as a seller of a replacement for First Land is an indication that LL finally will allow residential-only zoning in selected mainland sims. Certainly, some places need to be open-use, and some need to be mixed use, like any community. But with no controls at all, it's just anarchy.

Rocketman, you can probably visit 80% of the sims in SL at certain times of day, and find them dead empty, if all you are counting is logged in avatars. But someone owns all that land, and someone uses it at some other time, or it would not be there. Maybe the residents live in another time zone, or work a night shift. The point remains that if you drop a business in the middle of that "empty" sim, and that business spams the sim with shouting and makes a small portion of the sim attract 30 to 40 users almost all the time? The people who paid for that land around the slingo parlor are, at some point, going to try to use what they paid for, and be very angry that they can't do so.

A new business needs to take into consideration the resources it requires and the impact on it's surroundings. Take two real-world examples.

If a single artist opened a small art gallery next door to your home, you'd likely have no problem with a steady flow of customers in and out, as long as you could still park and use your own home.

But what if a blacksmith opened up shop next door to your home? With hammers banging loudly on anvils at all hours of the day or night, and a forge belching soot and smoke, and cinders falling on your home and starting small fires in your yard? Would you complain?

Both are just small businesses. Both are just someone trying to get started. But only one is a good neighbor for a non-industrial neighborhood.

See the difference? Some small businesses can coexist with residences and other small businesses, with little to no negative impact. Others will have a large impact on the neighborhood, even if it's still a one-man operation, and should be located in places where it causes the least damage, like an industrial neighborhood. I've known real-world blacksmiths who set up a forge in their back yard, much to the dismay of their neighbors. I've known other blacksmiths who intentionally bought a home on less-desirable land, near a busy railroad switching yard, where the sounds and smells from their forge caused little impact.

All I am asking is that when someone starts a business that they KNOW will have a negative impact on the neighborhood it is dropped in, they really should at least attempt to be considerate, and seek a location that will minimize that impact.

Never played Slingo? Shame!

Slingo was the newb thing to do when I joined SL but that was before camping chairs. So is it no longer the newbs way of losing, err I mean making some money in SL? Oh I don't miss those days. hehe

Something like TRU is laggy, primarily because of the sheer amount of textures that are there which causes lag on the client-side. Other than the high volume of textures that needs to be downloaded, and the scripts that run in the vendors, there is really not that much server-side lag because of it, and it wouldn't attract a huge number of concurrent visitors.

If you happened to be right next door to it, then your house would probably be laggy as well, since you'd have to deal with all of the textures, but anyone living on that sim at some distance away from it, wouldn't experience any kind of lag because the texture vendors would either be outside of draw distance, or occluded.

The impact of it on surrounding sims would be negliable as well I think and any of the problems above, would be solved by either moving to a skybox, or if the texture store was responsible, they'd move to a skybox.

30-40 avies on the other hand, will definitely cause a high to overwhelming amount of lag on the server-side for that sim, and a noticeable amount of lag on neighbouring sims, especially when some people have a high draw distance set. That ruins the sim for everyone, whether they're on the edge, in the middle, on the land, or high up in a skybox.

The two just don't compare.